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Old 11-02-2011, 10:53 AM
 
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Here's a link to a short essay by Hamza Tzortis which, he claims, proves the "miraculous basis and origins of The Qu'Ran!". His summation paragraph?

"No human being has ever composed a book that discusses such diverse topics in a language with so much rhythm, beauty and style.

In conclusion, the Qur’an is a literary and linguistic miracle. It has challenged those who doubt its Divine author-ship and history has shown that it is indeed a miracle as there can be no natural explanation to comprehensively explain its unmatched unique expression. As tangible signs, Qur’anic verses are expressive of an inexhaustible truth. They signify meanings layered within meanings, light upon light and miracle after miracle."


The Qur’an’s Challenge: A Literary & Linguistic Miracle

Comments? (As in: could it just be really bad writing in a dark cave, later much revised and adhering to no particular style or format or rules of grammar? Since after all, it's claimed prophet author was, by his own admission, illiterate. Or alternately, it could just be a miracle, yes? )
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Old 11-02-2011, 11:10 AM
 
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idol worship, just like the Christians do.
when you read them critically, you see them for what they are... a bunch of ink on paper. They say words, but cannot think... the most treacherous idols are those which can whisper meaningless phrases into your mind.
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Old 11-02-2011, 11:48 AM
 
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I doubt if one can fully comprehend what is meant by the Qur'anic miracle if they do not speak Arabic.

It is almost impossible to find Arabic words that rhyme and still make sense. The Qur'an is more adapted to oral memory than to being written. It is encouraged for each Muslim to memorize it and with proper Tajweed (Pronunciation) Most of us usually just memorize a few of the shorter Surats. But at least 20% of all Muslims have become Hafiz and have memorized it in it's entirety. the Qur'an seems to be easy to memorize for many people. This is a small part of the Qur'anic Miracle.

Spoken Arabic is or can be quite harsh. To me it usually sounds like a camel coughing up a hair ball. However the Qur'an has a musical tone to it. Many people mistake it for singing, but it is the actual pronunciation of the words and the interplay of the letter pronunciation give it the musical quality. The miracle is that it is understood as prose while still having a musical tone. The closest comparison I can think of would be for somebody to rewrite the US Constitution so that it sounds like the William Tell Overture, but still has the full meaning of the constitution.
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Old 11-02-2011, 12:08 PM
 
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All this proves is earlier humans were capable of great writing. Good for them.
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Old 11-02-2011, 01:47 PM
 
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Comments? (As in: could it just be really bad writing in a dark cave, later much revised and adhering to no particular style or format or rules of grammar? Since after all, it's claimed prophet author was, by his own admission, illiterate. Or alternately, it could just be a miracle, yes? )
You'd think that a literary miracle would lose some of its miraculous qualities when the creator admitted he was illiterate. But, apparently, that's supposed to be part of the miracle. As we say here in New York, go figure!
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Old 11-02-2011, 02:04 PM
 
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You'd think that a literary miracle would lose some of its miraculous qualities when the creator admitted he was illiterate. But, apparently, that's supposed to be part of the miracle. As we say here in New York, go figure!
Except Muhammad(PBUH) did not write the Qur'an and did not know what was in it until after each Surat was dictated to Him by the angel Jibreel.

Muhammad(PBUH) was simply repeating what he was told. He had no part in the content of the Qur'an
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Old 11-02-2011, 02:08 PM
 
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I suppose we must accept the supposition that the angel Jibreel was literate...
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Old 11-02-2011, 02:21 PM
 
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I suppose we must accept the supposition that the angel Jibreel was literate...
Not necessarily as it was an oral revelation. Written Arabic was only about 100 years old at the time the Qur'an was revealed. The Qur'an is one of the earliest books to have been rendered into written Arabic.

A quick History of written Arabic: History of the Arabic alphabet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 11-02-2011, 04:46 PM
 
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Not necessarily as it was an oral revelation. Written Arabic was only about 100 years old at the time the Qur'an was revealed. The Qur'an is one of the earliest books to have been rendered into written Arabic.

A quick History of written Arabic: History of the Arabic alphabet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I have to say that claim that the Quran is magnificently poetic prose is one of the stronger arguments for its divine origin.
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Old 11-02-2011, 06:33 PM
 
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I have to say that claim that the Quran is magnificently poetic prose is one of the stronger arguments for its divine origin.
Yea, but I've gotta be honest... it just can't match this book for poetish poetism :


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