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Old 12-05-2011, 02:50 PM
 
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I don't think that telling someone that I believe if you don't believe in Christ you will go to hell, is necessarily an expression of hatred.
It is just a statement of fact (from the Christian perspective).

Objective facts are not subject to perspectives, be it Christian or something else. Since there is no evidence to support the religious notion of hell, and since hell is traditionally the place where one's god(s) send one's enemies, you cannot claim that telling someone that they will go to hell is not a hateful act.

 
Old 12-05-2011, 02:52 PM
 
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I would say the declaration is biggotry, but not necessarily hatred.

Though, I dont' doubt that at least some of the members of that church ARE capable of hatred. You don't have to "hate" sombody in order to not want to be around them. You could just not like what they represent.

For the record, I don't personally have a problem with interracial marriages.
Erm, not like what they represent? What does a man of color represent? I'm sorry but I have to completely disagree with you on this point. Their declaration was not only an act of bigotry, it was a statement of hatred, not only of black people, but of anyone who associates with them (i.e., the man's white wife).
 
Old 12-05-2011, 02:53 PM
 
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Not sure which atheists you are on about but generally atheists dont care about religion or god figures and really couldnt care less about other peoples religous practices, you seem to be painting atheists as some rival to your religious beliefs when in actuality we just dont care, we dont think about it,we dont talk about it, we dont care about it and we certainly wouldnt waste our time targeting religions or wasting money by posting billboards.
Muslims Christian and Jewish religions or any others for that matter?
speaking for all atheists WE DONT KNOW AND WE DONT CARE..
You really shouldn't presume to speak for all atheists, please.
Some of us are interested in our cultural heritage, and not because we wish to attack it.
Others attck it openly, as should be obvious from posts on this forum.
 
Old 12-05-2011, 02:53 PM
 
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The point is that the history of Christianity is riddled with this kind of hatred and bigotry. And then Christians have the nerve to claim that they are being persecuted by atheists. The hypocrisy is the point.

Christians ARe sometimes persecuted by atheist and atheist ARE certainly persecuted by Christians at times. Stating either fact is NOT being hypocritical.

Being hypocritical is saying. "Don't persecute me, but it's okay for me to persecute you".

There are certainly some Christians AND some atheist that are absolultely guilty fo that type of hypocrisy. But absolutely not ALL Christians, and certainly not ALL atheists either.
 
Old 12-05-2011, 02:54 PM
 
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Well, they won't (can't) now, because we rationalists (not just atheists) have managed to wrest control of society from their insane grip and put them in the dunce corner where they belong. Rest assured that if Christians still wielded the power they did just a short time ago, they would still be beheading, burning and torturing atheists, rationalists, witches, pagans and others who dare speak out against their absurd mythology and telling the truth on the origins of their god and his "word".
Well, not all Christians or Christian nations did such things. As usual, painting with a pretty wide brush.
 
Old 12-05-2011, 02:56 PM
 
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From a Pagan point of view Christianty is so IN your face. Billboards, a church on every street, etc. Here in the bible belt everyone has the nerve to assume that your a Christian. then they act like you punched them in the face when you say that your not. It's not just JW's & morons that go around knocking on your door's. Just maybe if they would leave Athiest's, Pagan, etc alone & mind thier own bussiness we would all get alone. Sadly this will never happen.
This is the most reasonable answer to the original question, that I have seen so far.

Thank you.
 
Old 12-05-2011, 02:59 PM
 
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Christians ARe sometimes persecuted by atheist and atheist ARE certainly persecuted by Christians at times. Stating either fact is NOT being hypocritical.

Being hypocritical is saying. "Don't persecute me, but it's okay for me to persecute you".

There are certainly some Christians AND some atheist that are absolultely guilty fo that type of hypocrisy. But absolutely not ALL Christians, and certainly not ALL atheists either.

Can you name instances in which atheists have persecuted Christians? Please be specific.

Keep in mind that non-believers account for some 5 percent of the population in the United States, whereas Christians account for about 80%.
 
Old 12-05-2011, 03:01 PM
 
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From a Pagan point of view Christianty is so IN your face. Billboards, a church on every street, etc. Here in the bible belt everyone has the nerve to assume that your a Christian. then they act like you punched them in the face when you say that your not. It's not just JW's & morons that go around knocking on your door's. Just maybe if they would leave Athiest's, Pagan, etc alone & mind thier own bussiness we would all get alone. Sadly this will never happen.
McDonalds and Accident Lawyers are much more in my face with billboards than Christians ever are. I don't like any billboards, but that's America's dominant scenery.
 
Old 12-05-2011, 03:02 PM
 
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Well, not all Christians or Christian nations did such things. As usual, painting with a pretty wide brush.
I don't see where it was alleged that all Christians did those things. The fact is that Christians did do those things, and I have no doubt whatsoever that if left to their own devices, some Christians would do it again.
 
Old 12-05-2011, 03:03 PM
 
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McDonalds and Accident Lawyers are much more in my face with billboards than Christians ever are. I don't like any billboards, but that's America's dominant scenery.

Yes, but McDonalds and lawyers only want your money. Christians want your "soul".
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