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Originally Posted by allenk893
YES YES AND YES. It's SO true it's not even funny.
√ This year, EVERYTHING I asked God for has came true. I asked for the impossible and he made possible for me. Ya'll don't just know. It's all about faith. If you don't have it, then that's why your prayers don't work. It's hard. But you really have to trust in him. I remember last year or the year before, we fell into a situation that we were so financially crippled in, I thought we would be out on the street. We needed at least $500 to get out of there.
√ Long story short - I asked God and received it! You need to have faith and trust in God! Ask, believe, and receive!
It took me a long time to realize that God was not playing with this verse. You really truly shape your reality by what comes out of your mouth. You can destroy and create with it. So please, watch yours and bless your life and others as well. I encourage everyone to make a list of goals and dreams and write them down and speak them into existence. They will happen.
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All completely anecdotal at best, imaginative at the least, and outright delusional in fact. The stats on prayer success are dismal, actually.
√ Christian dominated marriages fail far earlier than do atheist marriages.
√ Children with devoutly demanding Christian parents die with a higher frequency, and often in miserable pain, than do the children of logically thinking parents who allow the application of the latest scientific medical discoveries to be applied.
√ There's nothing "selfish" about a believer's praying for some help in his or her legless condition, esp. where that limb may well have been lost in what is claimed to be essentially a Holy War (Thx, G. W Bush-leaguer) against the Taliban and radical Islam.
√ Religious materialism is a delusion. The acquisition of wealth and material goods is
never enhanced by prayer any more than it is by simple luck (eg: Lotto wins) or hard work. Or being the beneficiary of some dead relative.
Such an undeniable state of affairs, is, of course, denied (as usual) by the following logically inept rebuttals:
1. “God doesn’t work like that”.
2. “It must have not been God’s Will”.
3. “You didn’t have enough faith”.
4. “God used the doctor as his tool to cure you”.
5. “You should not test God”.
6. “God has performed all kinds of miracles. Only faith allows you to see them”.
7. “Starving and diseased children are the result of man’s interference and evil”.
8. “God has a plan”.
9. “God works in mysterious ways”.
10.“Prayer is an act of faith”.
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Originally Posted by allenk893
If most of you people only knew what God has prepared in Heaven for innocent little creatures such as those squirrels and those greater than them such as lions and dinosaurs, you wouldn't feel so bad for ANY animal. They all have the same destiny. They are born and live on Earth for a time, then they die by whatever circumstance, and go on to Heaven. And they are VERY happy and safe in Heaven eternally.
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Wow? Another wildly assumptive and creative answer. I'm looking through my bible and DO NOT see this anywhere! Lions converted from predatory carnivorous behavior
(does God also revise their dentition and digestive enzymes? Hmmm?),
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBExG...eature=related
Cats laying down with dogs, sheep with ticks, and so on. Lovely little
squirrely-poos cuddling up to their beneficiary hand-feeders. Yup: it's all such a glorious place you've created in your head... By my thinking, "heaven" for a Cheetah would be to have all this but no lions lurking around, let alone competing jaguars, leopards, and so on... So God would have to change a lot of things, and you would no longer have a true Cheetah, but rather, this...
http://images.search.yahoo.com/image...mb=UdTQbXpxPcn
This all denies, of course, the built-in
genetics of desire to participate in both the chase and the kill…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRxsP2YMaOI
(I, having hunted, cannot deny the satisfaction of fulfilling my genetic heritage, as I'm sure this cheetah felt when he/she completed her amazing run. (Ain't Evolution
wonnerful? We have fossils and remnants of the Cheetah's predecessors down in the museum, and the relentless morphological improvements are all rather easily seen..). One must of needs conclude that
some of us came from a long line of pacifistic prey animals, while others like us, originated with the more highly evolved and efficient predatory types who think it all through to it's logical conclusions.)
As well, how many prayers do you think were offered up in desperate and frantic dispare for those engulfed in the Christian Hitler's plans and systematic murders in the Holocaust?
Whattah Loadah!
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Originally Posted by Karlonemillion
I remember reading somewhere he doesn't answer selfish prayers, and that's why people with spinal chord injuries are never able to walk again. That's why my prayer for an immediate end to roadkill was never answered. I think your $500 was just luck. God seems to be against greed, and pro having us work to support ourselves.
Sorry to be so cold, but life itself is cruel enough to allow children to starve to death, so I'm lukewarm towards it.
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Agreed,
Km. I do not however think those with spinal cord injures are selfish, just desperate and wondering 1) why their God let the cause of that injury happen in the first place, and 2) to what possible purpose does such a grievous injury relate,
vis-a-vis a permanently disabled Christian person's devout belief?
As a "(retired) profesional wildlife biologist (specializing in polars, plus the other two other very predatory and accomplished bears..) I am personally involved in the rescue as it were, of Cheetahs in this world. We have literally billions of selfishly reproducing and endlessly greedy hominids, adding hourly to this world's population, while there are now less than 10,000 cheetahs out of a once- secure population, at the turn of the century, of >> 100,000. They are, by any perspective [except that of their typical prey, the antelopes and mini dik-diks..
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truly one of "God's most magnificent creatures" if you must. But prayer won't do them a good goll-durned bit of good, now will it?
Alternate reality: Send money, and fast! And hold the prayers: don't waste time praying when you could be mailing money.
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Originally Posted by Mikelee81
The Scriptures are clear no one can communicate with God unless their is one mediator - the Man Messiah Jesus. The reason for this is our separation due to our sin. So communication comes only through his Holy Spirit which intercedes for believers only in which he communicates through the Son to the Father.
If we're not "In Christ" by receiving him through repentance through the Cross believing the gospel than we have no communication. It is a free gift (ephesians 2:8-10)(Romans 3,4,5) to ANYONE that comes to God through Christ meaning it..
This being said, God in his sovereignty answers prayer. I know prayer works for those "born again". Maybe not on my time or way, but it does. God also doesn't respond to our demands. Why should he? He does respond to our requests.
Everything in the end, works for the glory of God. As for the young man that is suffering and needs food, it is for a purpose. The purpose could be to later on exalt him while putting to shame his oppressors in the real reality - eternity. Who knows? God's ways are above our ways. Lean not to our own understanding the Scriptures say.
This is all one great big test. The test is faithfulness.
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Always with the creative answers. See list above
. No test, except in our ability to think and then react logically. Which, clearly observed, we are failing at, and miserably! Given that there is
no demonstrable God, [not to invoke his dismal prayer-answering statistics…], by anyone's rational evaluation [remember: I used the word
rational here...], no positive correlation. How can He have some secret (and thus convenient...) purpose for you and I, esp. in light the obvious pain and suffering in this world of His, all of which grows exponentially as we over-populate and consume limited resources? All at the endless expense of all His other creatures, and often at the persistent urging of the local ministry bloviators, in countries they are working to convert the pagan heathens (see: Mitchener's "Hawaii", plus his other work "Alaska", plus the inescapable escapades of those noxious prairie priests in the once-serene and balanced American West.).
Under that empire-building period, our native brethren so very much enjoyed the truly Evil hand of the invading RC Church in it's revenge- and discipline-based ministrations!
As for your selective purposes for the starving child, why then the greed-based success of the sons & daughters of folks like Robert Schuller, here seen devoutly praying, as only a TV evangelical can do...
Image Detail for - http://j-walk.com/images/SchullerFamilyBenefitsFromChurchBankrupt_7322/robertschuller.jpg
and this telling situation...
The Rev. Robert Schuller Reportedly Ousted from Crystal Cathedral Ministries | Fox News
Oh well, huh? Their prayers for deliverance will [or have now been…] be answered. (Note: later, this glory hole church
did go for broke, despite the prayerfests that Schuller the Elder held on several occasions. Because of the initial success of Schuller theElder, his son & daughters have become independently wealthy folk while literally thousands of their local congregation, in the
very Hispanic part of SoCal, suffer from near-poverty conditions, all while tithing into the passed gold-plated plate?
(Q from rifleman to hisself: what part of California is NOT major Hispanic now? With their God-acknowledged intent for massive families through an historically massive baby-making rate {religious fecundity?} coupled with free health care at our expense… 
Another thread one supposes...) are in a state of poverty and fiscal despair. Nice!
Let us Pr
ey...
(Oh ooooops: bad typo, but I'll let it stand.. It is, after all, very reflective of the church's true position)
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