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Old 01-26-2013, 10:45 PM
 
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The claim of modern science is that everything was created from nothing. How does this happen? The idea seems absolutely insane.

What happened to all of the great scientists who believed in God? Do any exist in modern "science"? It seems as if Christians are the only ones who are able to truly analyze the universe.

What do you think?

(I have been told in the Science forum that this type of controversial issue belongs in this forum.)
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:48 PM
 
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Great early scientists in the Renaissance and even later, "believed" in God and a whole lot of other things because they would be burned at the stake for saying otherwise.

There is nothing in modern science that rules out the existence of a creator. There is just no evidence for one, despite patient searching. If you are going to believe in a creator, you at least have to believe in one who went out of his way to camouflage his existence, because there is simply no evidence for it at all.
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:51 PM
 
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Great early scientists in the Renaissance and even later, "believed" in God and a whole lot of other things because they would be burned at the stake for saying otherwise.

There is nothing in modern science that rules out the existence of a creator. There is just no evidence for one, despite patient searching. If you are going to believe in a creator, you at least have to believe in one who went out of his way to camouflage his existence, because there is simply no evidence for it at all.
A person would have to go out of his way to deny such profound evidence.
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:52 PM
 
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A person would have to go out of his way to deny such profound evidence.
Not really, seeing as if there was the amount of evidence you claim, faith would be meaningless.
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:53 PM
 
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mass=energy/speed of light squared
pretty much shown in experiment with some adjustments for relativity.

just allows for theory, take from it what you will.
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:53 PM
 
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How were Christians created from nothing? Where did your god come from? What makes the world's current gods any different from the "mythology" label that current religions have given to the ancient Greeks et al? My guess is that is 200 years from now, "Christianity" will be known as "Christian Mythology."
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:58 PM
 
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A person would have to go out of his way to deny such profound evidence.
The "profound evidence" proffered by theists usually consists of some trailer-park vintage observation like "When I saw my baby daughter for the first time, I knew there was a God." Or something like this:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...ing_glory.html

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Old 01-26-2013, 11:57 PM
 
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The claim of modern science is that everything was created from nothing. How does this happen? The idea seems absolutely insane.

What happened to all of the great scientists who believed in God? Do any exist in modern "science"? It seems as if Christians are the only ones who are able to truly analyze the universe.

What do you think?

(I have been told in the Science forum that this type of controversial issue belongs in this forum.)


I'll try to explain this as a scientist (I got my Ph.D. in Physics 28 years ago). It is based in mathematics which is usally based on geometry. The first idea is the idea of closed and open geometries, a sphere is a closed geometry it has a boundary or a edge there is an inside and an outside. A sphere has no top or bottom no beginning and no end if I am an ant on its surface I can wander around it for ever with out stopping. . An infinite plane has no edges no boundary. In the 20th century, physicists found a way to make time part of a 4 dimensional vector space by making it equivalent to the three spatial dimensions we are alredy familiar with. The mathematics is taken from imaginary numbers (xiy) and the four dimensional space is r,and two angles (real component) and ct (the imaginary component). When you do complex arithmetic with this you get special relativity and this was the great intellectual achievement of Albert Einstein. A lot of the things we have learned since 1905 like the universe has a universal speed limit (the speed of light c), the fact that galaxies are speeding away from us and their light is doppler shifted (red shift), the fact that there is a maximum red shift and the red shift varies in a linear fashion (i.e. the galaxies closer have smaller red shifts than those farther away, and that this indicates the cosmos is 13.8 billion years old. Recent observational work shows that their is a limit to the objects we see and that the oldest objects are 13.8 billion years old. All this stuff indicates that the universe is a closed system in a geometric sense which makes it an object in the same geometric class as a sphere. So be intellectually courageous and appy the matematics and the axions that apply to a sphere a 4 dimensional sphere. A property of a sphere is it bas no top or bottom.
Think of the cosmos as acting like a bubble in a glass of beer. The bubble appears in the beer and rises. Before it is created there is no bubble it does not exist. Space-time was created like our bubble they did not exist exist before it was created but after it was created there is now the bubble which goes on its merry way. So space-time and everything in our universe all the enery and mass which we treat like space-time using the same type of mathematics and geometry (When Einstein did this he got general relativity and the effect they have on space-time which gives us gravity and another piece of physics a relative between energy and mass E=mc**2)) . The universe behaving as a bubble gives a cosmos that was created from from nothing which Steven Hawking argued in a recent book he wrote on this subject and how to view recent ideas in cosmology. The fact that Einsteins contributions are the foundation of much of our new technology like nuclear weapons, lasers, particle accelerators and what we see with our eyes through things like the Hubble Space telescope or the experiments at the LHC give Einsteins ideas great credibility.
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Old 01-26-2013, 11:59 PM
 
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The claim of modern science is that everything was created from nothing. How does this happen? The idea seems absolutely insane.

What happened to all of the great scientists who believed in God? Do any exist in modern "science"? It seems as if Christians are the only ones who are able to truly analyze the universe.

What do you think?

(I have been told in the Science forum that this type of controversial issue belongs in this forum.)
First off, it is not the scientific consensus that everything was created from nothing.
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:20 AM
 
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The claim of modern science is that everything was created from nothing. How does this happen? The idea seems absolutely insane.

These are theories based on observations specifically the observation that the universe is expanding.


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Neutron star - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A neutron star is so dense that one teaspoon (5 milliliters) of its material would have a mass over 5.5×1012 kg, about 900 times the mass of the Great Pyramid of Giza.[15] The resulting force of gravity is so strong that if an object were to fall from a height of one meter it would only take one microsecond to hit the surface of the neutron star, and would do so at around 2000 kilometers per second, or 7.2 million kilometers per hour.[16]
Sounds insane? Black holes are even denser.
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