You Know We're Doomed When Bill Maher Is The Rational Person In A Discussion About Religion (Mormonism, church)
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Brian Levin, whos it the director of the Center for the Study of Hate & Extremism at California State University in San Bernardino, makes Bill Maher sound almost reasonable in this. That is how wack Brian Levin is.
Brian Levin, whos it the director of the Center for the Study of Hate & Extremism at California State University in San Bernardino, makes Bill Maher sound almost reasonable in this. That is how wack Brian Levin is.
I like Bill Maher. He's an athiest and completely against all religion, particularly Christianity, but I'm cool with it. He makes it so funny in the way he tells it. He's quite good!
Granted that the number and extent of the "fundy" mindset seems to be greater in Islam than many other religions (with "Christianity" being second at least as far as numbers and high profile) there is still the question of whether that really represents Islam, and that's all I think Maher's guest was trying to say in spite of Maher's theatrics.
Granted that the number and extent of the "fundy" mindset seems to be greater in Islam than many other religions (with "Christianity" being second at least as far as numbers and high profile) there is still the question of whether that really represents Islam, and that's all I think Maher's guest was trying to say in spite of Maher's theatrics.
With all due respect to Wood and any other "moderate" Muslims here . . . Maher is NOT wrong. Islam is dangerous and the "moderates" (whatever their numbers) are of little to no use because they are as impotent against the fanatics (if not more so) than any infidel. The travesty is they are in a position to be of immense help in identifying the fanatics . . . but are afraid (or disinclined) to help . . . which is the same as "aiding and abetting" them.
Islam has existed for fourteen centuries. If it was as "dangerous" as some claim the world would be a much worse place. Further there are some fairly tolerant Muslim nations. Mali was traditionally one example. Yeah Samake, formerly Muslim, converted to Mormonism and you know what happened to him when he returned to Mali? Nothing, well other than he became a mayor and later ran for President.
Still Islam does lean toward a kind of fatalism/predestination so there is historically a tendency of mild and tolerant Muslims to be quietist or resigned to fate. So not too willing, or able, to effectively counteract more radical voices.
With all due respect to Wood and any other "moderate" Muslims here . . . Maher is NOT wrong. Islam is dangerous and the "moderates" (whatever their numbers) are of little to no use because they are as impotent against the fanatics (if not more so) than any infidel. The travesty is they are in a position to be of immense help in identifying the fanatics . . . but are afraid (or disinclined) to help . . . which is the same as "aiding and abetting" them.
Several hundred of y ears ago I'm sure may Jews in Spain beleived Christianity is dangerous.
Remember the Spanish inquisition.
The problem is not the religion, its extremism. The other problem is people who stereotype an entire religion as dangerous. There are 1 billion muslims.. to say all 1 billion of them are dangerous does not seem very Christian.
Several hundred of y ears ago I'm sure may Jews in Spain beleived Christianity is dangerous.
Remember the Spanish inquisition.
The problem is not the religion, its extremism. The other problem is people who stereotype an entire religion as dangerous. There are 1 billion muslims.. to say all 1 billion of them are dangerous does not seem very Christian.
are there really 1 billion of them. what is " them"? it is like saying there are 1 billion christians. There might be 1 billion that were born christian, maybe 1 billion church goers. But 1 billion christians would be just a number society has created.
I am not sure how muslims view themselves, but to say there are 1 billion followers who love their god is another number created by society. there might be 1 billion middle easterners born in muslim families, but most dont care about allah, just like most "christians" dont care about Jesus.
We will never have a real number of followers in christianity or muslimanity <----- is that even a word? but the number is sure to be very low.
Bill is an entertainer. He is not an expert in the areas he likes to comment about. He's glib and arrogant and it's easy for him to spew off sensational things that pander to the semi-stupid. At the end of the day he gets into his high end car - eats a 200 dollar supper...has a sip of fine wine and goes to bed - without a worry in the world. Not all "religious" people are stupid...There are the bright ones who understand that it takes a critical mind to glean the goodness out of a formal faith. Bill does not get it that religion and God are separate issues and that GOD is about intelligence...Bill is the classic atheist who sits there thinking he is so damned sophisticate when he has not even studied anything or come to any informed conclusions.
With all due respect to Wood and any other "moderate" Muslims here . . . Maher is NOT wrong. Islam is dangerous and the "moderates" (whatever their numbers) are of little to no use because they are as impotent against the fanatics (if not more so) than any infidel. The travesty is they are in a position to be of immense help in identifying the fanatics . . . but are afraid (or disinclined) to help . . . which is the same as "aiding and abetting" them.
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Originally Posted by minibrings
Several hundred of y ears ago I'm sure may Jews in Spain beleived Christianity is dangerous.
Remember the Spanish inquisition.
The problem is not the religion, its extremism. The other problem is people who stereotype an entire religion as dangerous. There are 1 billion muslims.. to say all 1 billion of them are dangerous does not seem very Christian.
Christianity outgrew the Inquisition. I was very clear in acknowledging the moderate Muslims . . . but I indicated that their numbers make little difference BECAUSE of their unwillingness to aid in the identification and suppression of the fanatics. When that changes and they become active in suppressing the fanatics . . . I will change my view.
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He's an athiest and completely against all religion, particularly Christianity, but I'm cool with it. He makes it so funny in the way he tells it. He's quite good!
