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As I understand the law, we now have the right to invoke religious views into a lawsuit that we may choose to file in a court, and we can say pretty much anything we want.
How the court decides the validity of the lawsuit is another matter.
That works both ways. You just used the word "libs" to describe people who often have very little in common with each other, for example, and you implied that they're all alike.
If the U.S. followed the principles in "The Art of War" the N. Viet would not have won. The U.S. would have gone at them "full force" and they would either have been quickly completely conquered, completely wiped out, or a landscape that was/is a radioactive cinder. The reason they "won" is because we only used a small fraction of our potential abilities on them...it had nothing to do with "home turf". We could have laid waste to that "home turf" in a couple of hours without ever putting a man on the ground, if we chose to. But this is off topic.
Time will tell...but keep pushing...you'll see where it gets you. Unfortunately, the wiser will be caught in the fallout of the foolish.
If the religious want to...using nothing more than the "majority rules" voting system we have in place right now...completely change this country in one election. Push them hard enough...and they will "want to".
I think you have it around the wrong way. The 'religious right' are not the majority even though they are very loud. They are losing this 'culture war' against gay and lesbian people precisely because they have become so loud and so obnoxious that the average person (including a lot of Christians) is seeing them for what they really are, and what they are really trying to do.... and they don't like it.
Well ya, if you've read the thread you'd see I do. That's my point, if you have something constructive to say like why you support it great, if you are just throwing a match in here we obviously have enough flames.
I think you have it around the wrong way. The 'religious right' are not the majority even though they are very loud. They are losing this 'culture war' against gay and lesbian people precisely because they have become so loud and so obnoxious that the average person (including a lot of Christians) is seeing them for what they really are, and what they are really trying to do.... and they don't like it.
That's the thing, right here! It's as if you're talking to you buddy and agree older woman are hot. Then he goes to far and starts thinking his mom is hot. You're now thinking, crap, I was agreeing with him a minute ago and now it looks like I'm still agreeing with him and it's getting gross. lol They went to far this time, and now they are backing out of it because they've just realized how gross it looks in public.
If you disagree with libs you're a troll, and a hater and a bigot and a racist and a homophobe and a gunnut and, what else have I forgotten? I'm sure you libs will fill in the blanks for me.
I keep telling you this isn't the political forum. It's "yous atheists", not "yous liberals." Wrong thread. A lot of atheists are republicans, or independents. A lot of us are separatists actually. But, they're atheists, and some are gay. Got it! They are still a minority and this bill could lead to discriminating against minorities. Even if you are a republican, you can be gay or atheists. This is the religious forum. You might want to use the correct "catch phrases"
All the radio station talk shows on the right were condemning this bill as well. It goes too far, even if you are a Christian republican. Pay attention.
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Could we at least agree to be consistent? That if you’re, say, a Christian who bakes wedding cakes for a living, then you should not be able to pick and choose among your “sincerely held” religious beliefs.
I suggest a Let Them Eat Somebody’s Else’s Cake Checklist, wherein you decline to provide the goods to couples:
1. If either person has been divorced (unless said divorce is sanctioned, according to Matthew).
2. If a believer is marrying an unbeliever.
3. If the couple has had premarital sex.
Or 4. If they’ve committed any of the multitude of sins listed in Corinthians.
(I might add that Catholic business owners will have to make sure sex is used for baby making only)
Won’t that be good for business?
But if a belief is sincere, then surely it should also be consistent. This should be, as some Christians have told me, about loving the sinner and hating the sin.
All of the sins.
Please feel free to add to the list.
And this, right here is why this bill won't work to anyones favor. An America like this, no thank you.
If the U.S. followed the principles in "The Art of War" the N. Viet would not have won. The U.S. would have gone at them "full force" and they would either have been quickly completely conquered, completely wiped out, or a landscape that was/is a radioactive cinder. The reason they "won" is because we only used a small fraction of our potential abilities on them...it had nothing to do with "home turf". We could have laid waste to that "home turf" in a couple of hours without ever putting a man on the ground, if we chose to. But this is off topic.
Time will tell...but keep pushing...you'll see where it gets you. Unfortunately, the wiser will be caught in the fallout of the foolish.
If the religious want to...using nothing more than the "majority rules" voting system we have in place right now...completely change this country in one election. Push them hard enough...and they will "want to".
I wonder what Sun Tzu would have said about the Storming of the Bastille.
I can assure you that the majority in this nation do not want to live under a dictatorial theocracy. The public won't stand for it.
I keep telling you this isn't the political forum. It's "yous atheists", not "yous liberals." Wrong thread. A lot of atheists are republicans, or independents. A lot of us are separatists actually. But, they're atheists, and some are gay. Got it! They are still a minority and this bill could lead to discriminating against minorities. Even if you are a republican, you can be gay or atheists. This is the religious forum. You might want to use the correct "catch phrases"
All the radio station talk shows on the right were condemning this bill as well. It goes too far, even if you are a Christian republican. Pay attention.
I'm a Christian independent, but I'll pay attention.
But hey...some will just go ahead and keep spitting into that strong wind. I can't bring myself to tell them that's a good thing to do. Because I'm sure it isn't.
Since you like to draw comparisons with history, let's look at the Japanese after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Once they put the Pacific fleet out of action, took the Philippines, Hong Kong, Guam, and French Indochina, with barely a scratch, they got, what they described in their own words, "Victory Disease."
So they kept going. And kept going. Because they thought they were unstoppable. Until Midway.
And the US forces at Midway were fighting an "indomitable" force MUCH more powerful than they were. Yet somehow, the US prevailed despite the odds, and put Japan on the defensive for pretty much the rest of the war.
I predicted this would happen once the funamentalists won against the gays in a majority of states regarding gay marriage. I knew damn well that the fundamentalists wouldn't just sit down and go about their business. I knew they would reach for yet another victory. And another. And another. They would keep pushing the boundaries of what the government and the people would accept. Until the fundamentalists experience their own Midway, they will keep right on trampling over anyone who dares to be different.
Perhaps we should just roll over and hand the fundamentalists whatever they desire. "Here ya go, Mr. Fundamentalist, here are a few more of my rights. I don't mind!"
But I suppose America should have handed over Hawaii or some such to placate the Japanese who held all the cards in the early days of the war. How dare those impetuous Americans spit into the wind of Japanese expansionism.
I'm beginning to wonder if, perhaps, you WANT a Christian theocracy. Why else would you be telling people not to fight against it? I'm sure the porn industry will do just swimmingly under an American Ayatollah. Your belief that the fundamentalists would just "leave us alone" if we didn't bother them is ... laughable. Because "leave them alone" translates into "give them whatever they want."
Didn't you know that the fundamentalists once again tried sneaking school prayer in through the back door in Alabama? Yep, some representative down there introduced a bill requiring teachers in public schools to read a prayer from the Congressional Record each day. Heh, I suppose this particular dim bulb thought that, if it came from the government, somehow it wasn't religious! (And this outlines why all of the religious chanting by politicians is just a bad idea ... if you have to pray, do it in private. Even Jesus had scathing words to say against people who insisted on showing everyone their faith by praying in public.
But oh right, I forgot ... American "Christ"ions don't really follow Christ. They follow the harsh laws of the desert tribal god known as Yahweh, with some edicts from Mammon, the god of greed and avarice thrown in. Referencing Jesus was pretty useless.
Point being is that they will NOT leave us alone if we leave them alone. There was no gay couple suing a photographer this time, not with the prayer in schools issue in Alabama. The fundamentalists will keep pushing and pushing until we're all mandated by law to attend church every Sunday morning. And who knows where it will end after that?
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