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Here's where you are messing up Nozz.
He did not make a "fool" of himself...and, actually, it's not cool that you said that to him...but that is another issue.
Selective reading much? I think if you bothered to read the thread before riding into it like a Knight in Rusty Armour you will find that I was merely parroting his own words back at him. Throwing around insults like "fool" was his doing, not mind, and I was merely demonstrating that throw away empty insults like that can be copy and pasted into ANY post with equal validity and utility (that is to say: None).
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Originally Posted by GldnRule
You need to face ***THE REALITY OF THE WORLD*** about "God Belief"
I do. And that reality is that the idea there is a god is not just slightly, but ENTIRELY unsubstantiated in any way whatsoever. Much less so by you.
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Originally Posted by GldnRule
As far as "The Burden of Proof"...that obligation is upon the one making the "extraordinary", "remarkable", or "new" claim.
False. But you have demonstrated a need for a Philosophy 101 class more than once in the past as you have been schooled on this many times before. But like this thread, you do not appear to actually read anything before replying to it.
The person making the positive claim has the onus of evidence. Not the person asking "How do you know that".
So if you or anyone else wants to claim the Bible is historical fact... or that a god exists.... then I am all ears to hear how you care to substantiate that. Alas I will not be holding my breath as you have dodged any attempt to ask you to substantiate your claims in the past. So I doubt things will change here today.
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
I'm sure you are well aware none of the writers of the Bible claimed to hear voices in their heads .....
Actually, they did claim to hear voices ...... simply do a phrase search on "the Lord said" in the Old Testament. Whether or not that was God ...... well of course you do have faith that it was, while I remain skeptical. I see little difference between Yahweh and other tribal deities.
Originally Posted by Eusebius In the real world, people who make claims need to back up those claims if requested.
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Originally Posted by Nozzferrahhtoo
Agreed! So if you claim the Bible is fact then you have to substantiate that. Not me. So have at it.
Since you cannot back up the claim you made that the Bible is fact, it would benefit you to not make such statements in the future.
In other words, you cannot back up your statement that the Bible is all fiction.
So you try to do a switcheroo by trying to make me prove it is not fiction.
But that won't work. You said it is fiction so it is up to you to prove it is. It is not up to me to prove it isn't.
In the future, if you aren't prepared to make such outlandish claims you would do well not to make them.
Actually, they did claim to hear voices ...... simply do a phrase search on "the Lord said" in the Old Testament. Whether or not that was God ...... well of course you do have faith that it was, while I remain skeptical. I see little difference between Yahweh and other tribal deities.
They didn't claim to hear voices in their head. If they did, please provide the verses. Thank you and have a nice day.
Originally Posted by jeffbase40 I never bought the whole "can't prove a negative" copout. If you make a claim, back it up, negative or not.
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Originally Posted by Nozzferrahhtoo
Then take your own advice and start. If you think a god exists.... back it up.
So far not only have you not.... you have dodged any attempt to get you to even START.
jeffbase40, Nozzferrahhtoo is using the fallacy called "Burden of Proof."
Here is an example:
"burden of proof
"You said that the burden of proof lies not with the person making the claim, but with someone else to disprove.
"The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove. The inability, or disinclination, to disprove a claim does not render that claim valid, nor give it any credence whatsoever. However it is important to note that we can never be certain of anything, and so we must assign value to any claim based on the available evidence, and to dismiss something on the basis that it hasn't been proven beyond all doubt is also fallacious reasoning.
"Example: Bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the Sun between the Earth and Mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one."
There are whales that live under the ground in Iowa. If you disagree, you must prove I'm wrong.
The onus is not on the person who received your thesis to prove you wrong that there are whales that live under the ground in Iowa. The onus is on the person making the claim. You are using a fallacy called "burden of proof," that is, no one can prove your thesis wrong then it must therefore be correct.
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