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Old 08-29-2014, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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There is too much 19th century Puritan morality present in some of the responses in this blog. The poets and writers of the Romantic period found nothing wrong with expressing their emotional feelings in no uncertain terms.

Freud, of all people, had many under aged women companions. Beethoven had several women friends (married or not). Liz Taylor went through several husbands. They were all free spirits and their emotional lifestyles were of not much concern to their colleagues.

Then, in the last 150 years we somehow reverted to a strict code of religious morality which imposed arbitrary rules for proper social conduct. This brought upon us a sense of social guilt which rivaled the teachings and codes imposed on ordinary people by the demagoguery of the Spanish Inquisition.

Sadly this is the trend of religious moral and judgemental practices of today. The United States is a haven for individuals of any faith or belief. The native American Indian tribes in no way imposed their beliefs on the peoples who later emigrated here and they, to this day, remain open. non judgemental, and tolerant.

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Old 08-29-2014, 07:26 AM
 
Location: california
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Perverting Jesus gospel does not make a christian.
One should spend time on their knees before the Lord and learn the things Jesus taught ,leaving other men out altogether .
If Jesus gospel was good enough for the disciples ,it's good enough period .
Embellishments made by others are noble, but "not "THE WORD OF GOD" . Jesus is the only one with the authority. John 1;
1 John 2;20,-26,
The Hoy Spirit is Jesus choice for teaching God's will to believers .
Not even the disciples were given that responsibility .
Declaring the gospel , through repentance of leaving self govern, to God's govern, can only work if one Has the Holy Spirit their teacher.
Reverting back to the tutelage of men, over scriptures and other matters of life ,is taking God back out of the picture, undoing the repentance.
Long as men assume that position there will be confusion.
The Holy Spirit does not alter His message, to compromise with sin=self govern.
He would then be as corrupt as you.
The Holy Spirit's instruction is personal, and specific, in daily life , almost as much as I will ask of Him, some times more .
God's frustrations with the Jews often referred to them as stiff-necked , rebellious.
Adopting Christianity and cherry picking out of scripture what one likes for them self, is no different than the Pharisees and all their biblical training , missing Jesus altogether because He did not fit their own interpretation of the prophecy .
The judgment of Matthew 7;21,22,23, still stands .
Doing nothing or noble deeds out side of being instructed of God to do so, Is still sin, still self govern.
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Old 08-29-2014, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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When Christians cannot openly and publicly cebrate their holidays and decorations = oppressed.
"Happy Holidays" is also offensive
Christians can openly and celebrate their holidays and decorations in the United States. You're not oppressed.

But what you cannot expect is to constantly have community resources (such as property) offered to you as a platform for you to celebrate or decorate. And that's not something that works against Christians, it's a strict Constitutional bar to people of any religion who try and utilize the power and resources of the state to advance their religious agenda.

Who is stopping you from celebrating? No one. The fact, for example, that public schools generally won't allow overt displays of Christianity as part of the curriculum (as opposed to private personal displays, such as wearing a crucifix, or students gathering of their own accord to sing Christmas carols on their own time in a non-disturbing way, which is just fine) is as irrelevant as to the fact that you're not allowed to put up a Christmas tree in the middle of a highway, or paint the city hall green and red.

And here's a little clue for you - as someone whose wife is an elementary teacher in a public school, I know that the first parents to complain about Christmas (or Halloween, for that matter) are fundamentalist Christians who insist that the former is pagan or not Biblical and that the latter is pagan or demonic.

As for "Merry Christmas" or Happy Holidays"; neither bothers me. But you're whining about one of them, and demanding that only the other be used. Guess which one of us is being 'politically correct'? You. You're the one demanding that others adhere to your speech codes.

Quit trying to desperately to be a victim, because you're not. Not even remotely. You're just a whiney Christian who is upset that society doesn't fawn all over you and your beliefs as much as you'd like. Deal with it.
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Old 08-29-2014, 08:10 AM
 
Location: california
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God provides a treasure trove of knowledge and wisdom and direction, a man can have God's approval, and His assistance ,through out his life .
Why throw that all away for second hand misinformation of self or other men, that compromises with the flesh, and alienates one from God again?
1 Timothy 2;15,
Love not the world neither the things in the world.
Matthew 6;19, lay up treasure in heaven.
This treasure is obtained in obedience to God on a personal level .
Much like a retirement fund.
But if one does not obey God, they have no treasure in heaven to lay claim to.
To me , having God's trust, would be the only treasure worth having.
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Old 08-29-2014, 08:15 AM
 
Location: california
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I agree ,it is a mistake to Christianize the public when they do not believe.
A lot of false christians are the result.
No one should be forced to adopt a faith.
If it is not done voluntarily then it is just as false.
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Old 08-29-2014, 08:17 AM
 
Location: california
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You must admit however that many christian values have made this country great compared to the dark ages left in England.
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Old 08-29-2014, 08:42 AM
 
Location: The land where God created :)
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You must admit however that many christian values have made this country great compared to the dark ages left in England.
This is something that non-Christians do not realize and appreciate.
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Old 08-29-2014, 08:43 AM
 
Location: The land where God created :)
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I agree ,it is a mistake to Christianize the public when they do not believe.
A lot of false christians are the result.
No one should be forced to adopt a faith.
If it is not done voluntarily then it is just as false.
Why is it bad to propagate the best belief and ideology system in the world?!
Christianity's message is good for all people
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Old 08-29-2014, 08:47 AM
 
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There is too much 19th century Puritan morality present in some of the responses in this blog. The poets and writers of the Romantic period found nothing wrong with expressing their emotional feelings in no uncertain terms.

Freud, of all people, had many under aged women companions. Beethoven had several women friends (married or not). Liz Taylor went through several husbands. They were all free spirits and their emotional lifestyles were of not much concern to their colleagues.

Then, in the last 150 years we somehow reverted to a strict code of religious morality which imposed arbitrary rules for proper social conduct. This brought upon us a sense of social guilt which rivaled the teachings and codes imposed on ordinary people by the demagoguery of the Spanish Inquisition.

Sadly this is the trend of religious moral and judgemental practices of today. The United States is a haven for individuals of any faith or belief. The native American Indian tribes in no way imposed their beliefs on the peoples who later emigrated here and they, to this day, remain open. non judgemental, and tolerant.
I will not stand for Sigmund's name to be besmirched and drug through the mud as you have done!

R.I.P. Sigmund and Saint Isabella.

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Old 08-29-2014, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Why is it bad to propagate the best belief and ideology system in the world?!
Christianity's message is good for all people
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