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you will have to list the events we see every day for yourself ozzy. people telling others just puts most on the defensive.
Start in public schools.
"In the end times people will call good evil, and evil good."
Everyone would probably agree with that statement, but some of them would have the wrong opinion. In other words the opinion contradicting my own would be wrong of course.
Unfortunately, Christianity, as well as Islam, had a "god-given mandate" to conquer the world -- which is why the two largest religions will never be able to co-exist with each other.
While I can't say for sure how strongly BaptistFundie personally believes in this mandate, there are a helluva lot of Christians who do believe it -- and actively strive to make it reality.
The most successful infectious organisms have a biological imperative to reproduce and simple, effective methods with which to do so.
"In the end times people will call good evil, and evil good."
Everyone would probably agree with that statement, but some of them would have the wrong opinion. In other words the opinion contradicting my own would be wrong of course.
I am not an end times guy. I am more of a "list what we have and do do the best we can with it." guy.
I used to believe what he believes, and what is so sad is that nobody has to believe that anyone is going to hell. What the world is presented of Jesus, it is being presented by people who are not in the religion of Jesus, people who absolutely do not know the worship system of God in the 7 feasts which comes with a million idioms, and unless a person learns the religion they are claiming to be in, they will never understand what is meant in the New Testament as a whole. Everything Jesus said was cloaked in parables that had a hidden deeper meaning.
If a Christian actually knew the religion he was claiming to be in, he wouldn't see hell and eternal torment, unfortunately, everything of Jesus is shunned by mainstream Christianity.
Interesting point
I am an atheist. I make no claims otherwise, and I am very vocal about it. I do not believe that any "god" or "gods" exist....nor is there any viable evidence for such. I do not believe that the historical "Jesus" was anything more than a gifted teacher, who grew to legendary proportions...like Daniel Boone of Cavy Crockett of our own history.
I am however a humanist. And I love people. And for the most part, I go out of my way to help others. I do not discriminate, I help those in need. I am far from what the religious call "Perfect": I, like Jesus am only human. I am a non-materialist. I value very little when it comes to things. I have no qualms at all about selling what I have to help others. Minimalism appeals to me far more than many other "isms"
People , humans, are what matters. All people, all lives. Things do not. Ideas do not. Doctrines, rituals, do not matter at all. People do.
Interesting point
I am an atheist. I make no claims otherwise, and I am very vocal about it. I do not believe that any "god" or "gods" exist....nor is there any viable evidence for such. I do not believe that the historical "Jesus" was anything more than a gifted teacher, who grew to legendary proportions...like Daniel Boone of Cavy Crockett of our own history.
I am however a humanist. And I love people. And for the most part, I go out of my way to help others. I do not discriminate, I help those in need. I am far from what the religious call "Perfect": I, like Jesus am only human. I am a non-materialist. I value very little when it comes to things. I have no qualms at all about selling what I have to help others. Minimalism appeals to me far more than many other "isms"
People , humans, are what matters. All people, all lives. Things do not. Ideas do not. Doctrines, rituals, do not matter at all. People do.
"In the end times people will call good evil, and evil good."
Everyone would probably agree with that statement, but some of them would have the wrong opinion. In other words the opinion contradicting my own would be wrong of course.
Is that a Bible quote? In which case, I'd observe that the Bible calls folishness wisdom and wisdom foolishnes, Lies the truth and the Truth Lies.
And there's a quote.
"The words of this wizard stand on their heads." (Gimli, LoR.TT)
Interesting point
I am an atheist. I make no claims otherwise, and I am very vocal about it. I do not believe that any "god" or "gods" exist....nor is there any viable evidence for such. I do not believe that the historical "Jesus" was anything more than a gifted teacher, who grew to legendary proportions...like Daniel Boone of Cavy Crockett of our own history.
I am however a humanist. And I love people. And for the most part, I go out of my way to help others. I do not discriminate, I help those in need. I am far from what the religious call "Perfect": I, like Jesus am only human. I am a non-materialist. I value very little when it comes to things. I have no qualms at all about selling what I have to help others. Minimalism appeals to me far more than many other "isms"
People , humans, are what matters. All people, all lives. Things do not. Ideas do not. Doctrines, rituals, do not matter at all. People do.
What would the historic Jesus say to that?
Well, now you have found a Christian who actually believes you are going to a nice place when you die, and that isn't so irritating is it? I mean, I can understand how irritating it is for most Christians to warn you of hell, and if I still believed that, I would also warn you, but even Jesus said you could speak against him and be saved, he said you could not keep the law and EVEN teach others not to keep the laws, and if you do this, you are STILL saved, and to do such a thing makes you a Gentile not in the covenant Jesus brought for Ephraim and Judah. Christians assume they are under the covenant that Messiah brings for Ephraim and Judah, but they are neither Ephraim or Judah and so they are in the exact same place as an Atheist, and the Atheist is standing in a better position because while the Christian had the truth, they denied it, and the Atheist never had or believed the truth. We are told that much more is expected by those who have and believe the truth.
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