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I don't know the answer to the title - I don't know if this is how things are set up, I don't claim that this is how it works - and I am also open to the possibility that I could be totally wrong in thinking these thoughts.
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OK, so on one hand atheists and theists both sort of claim that they have used their intelligence, logic, common sense and research to arrive at the conclusion that God does exist, or God does not exist.
Fair enough to both parties.
For the last two days, I have been thinking perhaps it's just the way we are wired. It's just the way our brains perceive and process things differently when experiencing the same exact situation?
Whether God exists or does not exist? Our gut feeling have different answers.
Our intelligence, logic, research, common sense, smartness, experiences, training etc all seems to fail and look totally helpless. It's just the way we are made differently from each other
What triggered these thoughts initially was when the Dress Phenomenon went viral a couple of years ago.
Some people saw it as blue and black, others saw it white and gold.
People don't really have a choice - they see and hear things differently.
But what makes it different is that unlike one of those optical illusions where one person sees an old lady and the other sees a young lady - both are right and both are wrong *BUT* in the example I gave above - only one party is right. And the other is wrong. Those who see it blue and black are right.
And those who heard Laurel are also right.
The other two groups are wrong - but what can they do about it? Their brain is wired this way.
Disclaimer:
I don't know the answer to the title - I don't know if this is how things are set up, I don't claim that this is how it works - and I am also open to the possibility that I could be totally wrong in thinking these thoughts.
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OK, so on one hand atheists and theists both sort of claim that they have used their intelligence, logic, common sense and research to arrive at the conclusion that God does exist, or God does not exist.
Fair enough to both parties.
For the last two days, I have been thinking perhaps it's just the way we are wired. It's just the way our brains perceive and process things differently when experiencing the same exact situation?
Whether God exists or does not exist? Our gut feeling have different answers.
Our intelligence, logic, research, common sense, smartness, experiences, training etc all seems to fail and look totally helpless. It's just the way we are made differently from each other
What triggered these thoughts initially was when the Dress Phenomenon went viral a couple of years ago.
Some people saw it as blue and black, others saw it white and gold.
People don't really have a choice - they see and hear things differently.
But what makes it different is that unlike one of those optical illusions where one person sees an old lady and the other sees a young lady - both are right and both are wrong *BUT* in the example I gave above - only one party is right. And the other is wrong. Those who see it blue and black are right.
And those who heard Laurel are also right.
The other two groups are wrong - but what can they do about it? Their brain is wired this way.
I heard Laurel at first but now I hear Yanny. The Laurel sounds like a man saying it with a low voice. The Yanny sounds like a little old lady.
What's funny is that among media and political people I know. The ones I don't like hear Laurel.
I know that some people are red green color blind. It is my contention that some people see green and red in reverse. Grass is red, trees are red etc. but they call it green because to them that color IS green.
Last edited by eddie gein; 05-20-2018 at 06:49 PM..
Disclaimer:
I don't know the answer to the title - I don't know if this is how things are set up, I don't claim that this is how it works - and I am also open to the possibility that I could be totally wrong in thinking these thoughts.
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OK, so on one hand atheists and theists both sort of claim that they have used their intelligence, logic, common sense and research to arrive at the conclusion that God does exist, or God does not exist.
Fair enough to both parties.
For the last two days, I have been thinking perhaps it's just the way we are wired. It's just the way our brains perceive and process things differently when experiencing the same exact situation?
Whether God exists or does not exist? Our gut feeling have different answers.
Our intelligence, logic, research, common sense, smartness, experiences, training etc all seems to fail and look totally helpless. It's just the way we are made differently from each other
What triggered these thoughts initially was when the Dress Phenomenon went viral a couple of years ago.
Some people saw it as blue and black, others saw it white and gold.
People don't really have a choice - they see and hear things differently.
But what makes it different is that unlike one of those optical illusions where one person sees an old lady and the other sees a young lady - both are right and both are wrong *BUT* in the example I gave above - only one party is right. And the other is wrong. Those who see it blue and black are right.
And those who heard Laurel are also right.
The other two groups are wrong - but what can they do about it? Their brain is wired this way.
That is weird. I hear "Yanny", and the dress is white and gold.
I heard Laurel at first but now I hear Yanny. The Laurel sounds like a man saying it with a low voice. The Yanny sounds like a little old lady.
What's funny is that among media and political people I know. The ones I don't like hear Laurel.
I know that some people are red green color blind. It is my contention that some people see green and red in reverse. Grass is red, trees are red etc. but they call it green because to them that color IS green.
I think my ex was color blind and didn't know. One time we were in a restaurant, and the wall was a bright kelly green. I said I loved the color, and he said, "Why do people like green? It's such a dull color. I pointed at the bright green wall and said "That looks dull to you?" He said yes.
Disclaimer:
I don't know the answer to the title - I don't know if this is how things are set up, I don't claim that this is how it works - and I am also open to the possibility that I could be totally wrong in thinking these thoughts.
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OK, so on one hand atheists and theists both sort of claim that they have used their intelligence, logic, common sense and research to arrive at the conclusion that God does exist, or God does not exist.
Fair enough to both parties.
For the last two days, I have been thinking perhaps it's just the way we are wired. It's just the way our brains perceive and process things differently when experiencing the same exact situation?
Whether God exists or does not exist? Our gut feeling have different answers.
Our intelligence, logic, research, common sense, smartness, experiences, training etc all seems to fail and look totally helpless. It's just the way we are made differently from each other
What triggered these thoughts initially was when the Dress Phenomenon went viral a couple of years ago.
Some people saw it as blue and black, others saw it white and gold.
People don't really have a choice - they see and hear things differently.
But what makes it different is that unlike one of those optical illusions where one person sees an old lady and the other sees a young lady - both are right and both are wrong *BUT* in the example I gave above - only one party is right. And the other is wrong. Those who see it blue and black are right.
And those who heard Laurel are also right.
The other two groups are wrong - but what can they do about it? Their brain is wired this way.
Then if it is shown that we can't agree, then perhaps we should let science decide. Analyzing the light should tell us which wavelength color it is. and if it can't decide itself, when we should say 'well, we don't know for sure rather than pick a preference and claim that's right.
That is weird. I hear "Yanny", and the dress is white and gold.
The video is "not available in your country."
And yeah, the dress has always been white and gold to me.
But I don't think people are hard-wired to either believe, or not, in a God-thing. Way too many other variables come into play: geography of birth, upbringing, political system, economic status, education, innate intelligence and several etcs.
That is weird. I hear "Yanny", and the dress is white and gold.
Me too. I heard one video where someone turned the pitch all the way up and I finally heard "laurel". he also found that kids for some reason seemed to hear Yanny too by about 3 to 1. If I look at the dress long enough I can see a bluish tint but the gold stays gold.
And yeah, the dress has always been white and gold to me.
But I don't think people are hard-wired to either believe, or not, in a God-thing. Way too many other variables come into play: geography of birth, upbringing, political system, economic status, education, innate intelligence and several etcs.
I think it was with GoCardinals we discussed this on the atheism forum and I admitted by default my mind goes to "there must a a logical explanation" for things other people call supernatural. For example, I have sleep paralysis and was raised to fear demons. Some people who have experienced this are convinced this is proof of demonic activity. Even at 14, fully immersed in the culture, I was able to override that in favor of there being a logical explanation that was outside of my grasp. I don't think everyone has that default. That may be due to some wiring.
Edit: holy crap that dress now looks back and blue. Maybe it' because I'm on a PC instead of a phone or because I'm in the dark right now. Weird!
Last edited by L8Gr8Apost8; 05-20-2018 at 08:21 PM..
Reason: It's the lower light in the room.
I had the screen showing half the dress while watching the video and talking my SO about it and suddenly the dress was blue and black - until I scrolled up down. So I see a white and gold dress and hear yanny while my SO hears yanny and sees blue and black.
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Originally Posted by L8Gr8Apost8
I think it was with GoCardinals we discussed this on the atheism forum and I admitted by default my mind goes to "there must a logical explanation" for things other people call supernatural.
Yeah, this would be me.
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