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Old 06-28-2018, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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In my opinion, it would be absolutely ridiculous to assume that Earth holds the only people in the universe. Besides this, the book of Revelation insinuates there being very many Earths out there that are already filled with people.
The author of a book who wrote about possible answers to the Fermi Paradox I read explained how it might even be possible for no intelligent life to exist in our universe...although he was far from confident about that. At some point I'll come back to this thread and explain his reasoning. It'll be a few days though. I won't have access to the internet for a few days...and I often just don't come back to threads I've posted on due to sheer laziness anyway.
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Old 06-28-2018, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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The author of a book who wrote about possible answers to the Fermi Paradox I read explained how it might even be possible for no intelligent life to exist in our universe...although he was far from confident about that. At some point I'll come back to this thread and explain his reasoning. It'll be a few days though. I won't have access to the internet for a few days...and I often just don't come back to threads I've posted on due to sheer laziness anyway.
Scientists also explained just how big the universe is, and just how much time has gone by.


They said if only 1 in a trillion planets orbiting a sun could form life, then so much time has gone by, and the universe is so big, that there has already been 4 billion earths that have had people, and then they lived so long that their earths died.


The universe is so vast that we can't get our head around it.
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Old 06-28-2018, 10:15 AM
 
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We have no evidence of life beyond Earth. To say there must be life elsewhere is based on faith, not logic or common sense
I don't know about must but most scientists I have heard on this subjunctive talk about probabilities. To say that there must be life in the Universe based on probabilities is indeed based on logic and common sense. If life is a one in billion chance and there are twenty billion inhabipible planets then it would be logical that there is life somewhere else. The same way that we have no evidence that next year there will be lottery winners but probability indicates at least one person will win it.

Is there a religious or spirituality reason for life not existing other places in the Universe?
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Old 06-28-2018, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Scientists also explained just how big the universe is, and just how much time has gone by.


They said if only 1 in a trillion planets could form life, then so much time has gone by, and the universe is so big, that there has already been 4 billion earths that have had people, and then they lived so long that their earths died.


The universe is so vast that we can't get our head around it.
Those people are wrong. Life has to pass a series of challenges to arrive at intelligence, and we don't know how easy it is for each challenge to be passed. If you'll notice, the human lineage are the only users of extremely complex tools on Earth. Octopi don't have the lifespans or social skills to become as skilled of tool users as humans. Dolphins don't have the appendages and neither do birds. Elephants can be quite clever, and ambidextrous, but they don't need complex tools to survive. The brain consumes lots of energy, and instinct can often be more beneficial than tool use, at least until long after the species has developed complex tools. Cochroaches and microbes have shown, so far as I've seen, that while humans are doing very well now, the longest lasting and most numerous kinds of life were dumb as rocks. Brainy life are rarities that appear to form long after the simpler life has thrived for a long, long time, at least on Earth. I don't see brainy life so much as an improvement insofar as survivability of the species is concerned, so much as a bizarre mutation that happens to be able to survive decently.
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Old 06-28-2018, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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I still believe there are billions of earths full of people, but then I believe Revelation teaches this.
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Old 06-28-2018, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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Is there a religious or spirituality reason for life not existing other places in the Universe?
No, but belief in a superior spiritual Being makes the subject irrelevant.
Believers are never alone. Why the drive to find something we dont need, proves nothing and adds nothing.
Did you ever look for keys you havnt lost?

This particular obsession for atheists may just be a cosmic thirst for God.
Evolution compels it.

Self assembly of organic molecules are sufficient proof that abiogenesis must occur when/where conditions are met. Do we need to spend billions to prove it?
Society thinks not.
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Old 06-28-2018, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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No, but belief in a superior spiritual Being makes the subject irrelevant.
Believers are never alone. Why the drive to find something we dont need, proves nothing and adds nothing.
Did you ever look for keys you havnt lost?

This particular obsession for atheists may just be a cosmic thirst for God.
Evolution compels it.

Self assembly of organic molecules are sufficient proof that abiogenesis must occur when/where conditions are met. Do we need to spend billions to prove it?
Society thinks not.
See. See what you people do. I am so damn tired of hearing crap like that.
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Old 06-28-2018, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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The author of a book who wrote about possible answers to the Fermi Paradox I read explained how it might even be possible for no intelligent life to exist in our universe...although he was far from confident about that. At some point I'll come back to this thread and explain his reasoning. It'll be a few days though. I won't have access to the internet for a few days...and I often just don't come back to threads I've posted on due to sheer laziness anyway.
Pop science books are entertaining.
The fermi paradox is not much of a paradox, its assumptions are on shaky foundations.
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Old 06-28-2018, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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See. See what you people do. I am so damn tired of hearing crap like that.
We will adjust reality just for you.
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Old 06-28-2018, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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I just read about a recent scientific discovery that says we may be alone in regards to life in the universe.

If this turns out to be true, does it mean that religious people are more in touch with the reality of the cosmos, by either their spirit or intuition, than those who have speculated about life existing outside our world?
You cannot discover a non existence.
Its an opinion.
Theists dont have a pony in this race.
Its a one handed clap.
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