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Old 12-03-2009, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Rabbis, Jewish groups back Muslims on minaret ban | International News | Jerusalem Post

Here's an interesting story to read.

Surprise, surprise, Athiests can also be dogmatic Moderator cut: Deleted as insulting who go too far with their personal beliefs and encroach on the beliefs of others! Switzerland banned the construction of Minarets. Now some architectural styles are too "goddish" and need to be banned?!

Apparently it's stupid enough that Jews and Muslims are actually willing to join up to fight it.

Maybe Atheism is the solution for the ongoing conflict in the Middle East too?

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Old 12-03-2009, 08:41 PM
 
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Rabbis, Jewish groups back Muslims on minaret ban | International News | Jerusalem Post

Here's an interesting story to read.

Surprise, surprise, Athiests can also be dogmatic Moderator cut: orphaned who go too far with their personal beliefs and encroach on the beliefs of others! Switzerland banned the construction of Minarets. Now some architectural styles are too "goddish" and need to be banned?!

Apparently it's stupid enough that Jews and Muslims are actually willing to join up to fight it.

Maybe Atheism is the solution for peace in the Middle East too?
Um..............Roughly 82% of Switzerland's population is Christian, and only around 11% claim to be irreligious. The ban of minarets is not because they're "goddish" as you put it, but rather out of fear of Islam. And seeing as how Switzerland's a direct democracy and the ban on the minarets passed by more than 57%, I'd wager a guess that you can not blame the law's passing entirely on the irreligious alone.

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Old 12-03-2009, 09:40 PM
 
Location: 30-40°N 90-100°W
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I agree this is anti-Islam rather than anti-religion, but I think you might be exaggerating how Christian the Swiss are. They are more Christian than much of Europe, but only 48% of them say they believe in God rather than "some sort of spirit or life force" and 9% do not believe in God or any force. This makes them roughly like Lithuania, which is seen as quite religious for Europe, but not that religious. Gallup places them slightly below New Zealand for religiousness.

http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/a..._report_en.pdf
In More Religious Countries, Lower Suicide Rates - I'm aware this title might be offensive, but it's the only article I remember where Gallup ranks countries by self-reported religiousness.
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Old 12-03-2009, 10:36 PM
 
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Minarets are often used to broadcast the Adhan( Call to Prayer ) through mounted loudspeakers five times a day everyday. I wonder if the ban was partly voted for because this is extremely annoying?
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Old 12-04-2009, 07:47 AM
 
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Minarets are often used to broadcast the Adhan( Call to Prayer ) through mounted loudspeakers five times a day everyday. I wonder if the ban was partly voted for because this is extremely annoying?
Not only that, but if Switzerland is trying to maintain a certain style of building to keep their country looking Swiss rather than multicultural, then I can see it. There could also be height and noise restrictions. There are a lot of reasons other than religious for banning certain buildings.
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Old 12-04-2009, 07:57 AM
 
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Minarets are often used to broadcast the Adhan( Call to Prayer ) through mounted loudspeakers five times a day everyday. I wonder if the ban was partly voted for because this is extremely annoying?
Also, I personally would not mind a decibel limit for the christian belltowers on sunday mornings, they keep waking me up!!!
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Old 12-04-2009, 10:01 AM
 
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Minarets are often used to broadcast the Adhan( Call to Prayer ) through mounted loudspeakers five times a day everyday. I wonder if the ban was partly voted for because this is extremely annoying?
That's what I've been hearing. That the Muslims want the call to prayer to be heard throughout the ENTIRE city through the minarets. Personally, I'd be pretty pissed if another religion/culture moved into my city and started yelling things through loudspeakers in a different language at 5:30 in the morning 7 days a week, then 4 more times during the day.
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Old 12-04-2009, 10:15 AM
 
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Minarets are often used to broadcast the Adhan( Call to Prayer ) through mounted loudspeakers five times a day everyday. I wonder if the ban was partly voted for because this is extremely annoying?
So pass a noise ordinance...

... but banning Minarets is like banning church steeples. It's silly.

I'm no religions nut, In fact I don't believe in ANY organized religious institutions, but is the mere sight of a religious oriented building really offensive to so many people?

In my city (SLC, UT) I think the prettiest buildings are the downtown mormon temple and the catholic cathedral. You'll never find me inside either of them, but they are beautiful structures that add, not detract from the area.

It all boils down to racism and closed-mindedness.
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Old 12-04-2009, 10:31 AM
 
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So pass a noise ordinance...

... but banning Minarets is like banning church steeples. It's silly.
I agree. Although later you say it's racism, but that's not really correct. Muslims aren't a race they're a religion. A Muslim can be of any race just like anyone else. I'm sure the Kurds and Balkans contain blond blue-eyed Muslims.
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Old 12-04-2009, 10:31 AM
 
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That's what I've been hearing. That the Muslims want the call to prayer to be heard throughout the ENTIRE city through the minarets. Personally, I'd be pretty pissed if another religion/culture moved into my city and started yelling things through loudspeakers in a different language at 5:30 in the morning 7 days a week, then 4 more times during the day.
Why don't they just podcast it?
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