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Why "yikes"? You don't find additional ways of looking at and considering the issue of any value? Maybe you have something against the social sciences?
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Sorry about the Aussie newspaper, I didn't have to subscribe. Here is another article on the same study. Recent. 2014 study.
I'm not going to go back and forth with opposing research on the subject...I'm sure you realize that there is plenty.
Bottom Line: Homosexuality is contradictory to scientifically known and long proven innate biological imperatives. I submit that based upon what science is sure of so far...it not only ISN'T innate...it is a choice that goes AGAINST known innate imperatives.
Here...you try this too:
Biological imperatives are important to the study of evolution. In order for species to persist, they must by definition reproduce to ensure the continuation of their species. Without reproduction the species ceases to exist. The capacity for reproduction and the drive to do so whenever physiological and environmental conditions allow it are universal among living organisms and are expressed in a multitude of ways by the spectrum of living organisms.
Relationships between potentially conflicting biological imperatives, such as self-preservation and reproduction are similarly resolved in an extraordinary variety of fashions by different organisms, from those who sacrifice themselves to procreate or increase the survival chances of their offspring to those who will abandon their descendants to their own luck when threatened so they may live and successfully procreate another day. Notwithstanding the evolutionary emergence of conscious voluntary action in some forms of life, the urge to procreate is an involuntary and unconscious biological drive which first emerged as an inherent property of living cells and is echoed in the upper levels of organization of multicellular organisms.
THAT is what "science" knows for sure...with loads of conclusive research to back it up.
From what I can see, taking everything so far into consideration...outside of that, it is a choice. Even if you weren't aware of it.
There is no biological imperative for every member of a species to reproduce. In bees only one member of each hive reproduces, and they survive. In meerkats only one female of the pack is allowed to reproduce, they survive. In wolves only the alpha breeds, they survive. Not every human has to reproduce in order for the species to survive. In fact if every member DID reproduce we would quickly run out of resources to survive.
That does not change the point that drive to reproduce is not the same thing as sexual orientation, and nothing to do with choosing who you are attracted to.
There is no biological imperative for every member of a species to reproduce. In bees only one member of each hive reproduces, and they survive. In meerkats only one female of the pack is allowed to reproduce, they survive. In wolves only the alpha breeds, they survive. Not every human has to reproduce in order for the species to survive. In fact if every member DID reproduce we would quickly run out of resources to survive.
That does not change the point that drive to reproduce is not the same thing as sexual orientation, and nothing to do with choosing who you are attracted to.
Read it again...this was addressed: "Relationships between potentially conflicting biological imperatives, such as self-preservation and reproduction are similarly resolved in an extraordinary variety of fashions by different organisms, from those who sacrifice themselves to procreate or increase the survival chances of their offspring to those who will abandon their descendants to their own luck..."
All this has been researched and proved for quite some time.
OTOH...as I have said many times before...NOTHING is infallible, so.....
Doesn't matter any way as respects LGBTQ acceptance. Live and let live...and love each other as you treat others the way you'd want to be treated. Any way else is not cool and messes the world up.
Read it again...this was addressed: "Relationships between potentially conflicting biological imperatives, such as self-preservation and reproduction are similarly resolved in an extraordinary variety of fashions by different organisms, from those who sacrifice themselves to procreate or increase the survival chances of their offspring to those who will abandon their descendants to their own luck..."
All this has been researched and proved for quite some time.
OTOH...as I have said many times before...NOTHING is infallible, so.....
Doesn't matter any way as respects LGBTQ acceptance. Live and let live...and love each other as you treat others the way you'd want to be treated. Any way else is not cool and messes the world up.
I agree with the bolded, but not with people telling me how I feel or that I made a choice to be attracted to women. No one knows what I feel except me. No one can tell me that I was naturally attracted to men, but then chose to turn off those feelings and be attracted to women. THAT is what you are trying to do.
I agree with the bolded, but not with people telling me how I feel or that I made a choice to be attracted to women. No one knows what I feel except me. No one can tell me that I was naturally attracted to men, but then chose to turn off those feelings and be attracted to women. THAT is what you are trying to do.
I'm not "trying to do" that. I'm just going by what the known science says they are certain of on the subject. Why are you blaming me?...take it up with the scientists that have put that forth for all this time. Plus...as I said...NOTHING is infallible.
I think you aren't getting what is being said. They explain that it is not something you are conscious of. Like you "choosing" what flavor of ice cream you prefer, or what genre of music you are attracted to the sound of, or what "brand" of humor you like, etc. It isn't a conscious thing...but you still do make a choice which one best suits your "taste".
I'm not "trying to do" that. I'm just going by what the known science says they are certain of on the subject. Why are you blaming me?...take it up with the scientists that have put that forth for all this time. Plus...as I said...NOTHING is infallible.
I think you aren't getting what is being said. They explain that it is not something you are conscious of. Like you "choosing" what flavor of ice cream you prefer, or what genre of music you are attracted to the sound of, or what "brand" of humor you like, etc. It isn't a conscious thing...but you still do make a choice which one best suits your "taste".
How did I make a choice? A choice means there are options. Having an attraction to men was never an option. Around the time other girls were swooning over tiger beat covers, I was all about Brooke Shields. I never had an attraction to males, so there was no other option to make a "choice". I don't make a consious decision that I'm hungry, my body tells me I am. I don't make a decision that I am attracted to a person, my body tells me I am.
I'm sorry, but I trust myself over what some scientist says I did.
First of all, I specifically said "most homosexuals that I have known" ... I'm not making a blanket statement about every gay person on the planet...
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Sorry, but I don't trust anyone who is an apologetic for the Mormon Church.
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Do you not trust the "Big Bang" concept because it was figured out by a priest? That would be letting bias and prejudice influence good sense, wouldn't it? Just as it is here.
Strange, isn't it, when a person makes a point of not stereotyping one group but turns around and does so with another group? Bias and prejudice truly do influence good sense.
gldnRule, are you gay? You sure seem to think that you are an expert on all things that are gay. I am a gay man, and I am getting the biggest laugh at all the hogwash You are posting on this thread! The more you post the more painfully obvious it is you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
gldnRule, are you gay? You sure seem to think that you are an expert on all things that are gay. I am a gay man, and I am getting the biggest laugh at all the hogwash You are posting on this thread! The more you post the more painfully obvious it is you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Goldie says he's in the porn business.
That, of course, makes him an expert on sex, relationships, gender...you know, the whole human condition.
That, of course, makes him an expert on sex, relationships, gender...you know, the whole human condition.
Except he can't seem to tell the difference between a sexual ACT and sexual orientation.
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