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It is healthy for a victim to eventually have closure on the issue and forgive.
It is also morally healthy for the sinner to repent and seek forgiveness.
If both the sinner and victim see this and the victim forgives and the sinner
Whose forgiveness is more important?
Agreed. Both the victim and the person who has done the deed are the one's who carry the pain/guilt and various attached emotions (eg. "why me?"/feelings of insignificance/of I can't be true to myself... the list is endless!) Only by recognizing the issue, releasing the attached feelings and forgiving all that need to be forgiven (including self) can we be truly happy.
One would have to prove God exists before giving Him our dominion and right to judge.
If He did exist, to think that a loving God would be waiting in heaven to punish instead of cure is rather barbaric and would only serve those who love to hate.
The only reason that we jail perpetrators here is because we cannot cure them. To think that a God who can cure would instead torture forever is to have God act in an immoral way.
God has provided a cure. Jesus Christ! It's up to each person to accept or reject the "cure".
To Jesus’ sacrifice.
Why have you forsaken me is answered here.
Pro 21:3 To do justice and judgment [is] more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.
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[/SIZE]Psa 49:7 None [of them] can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
To think that justice comes through the murder of an innocent man is immoral.
To think that God wants us to ride a scapegoat into heaven is silly.
We are to get there on our own merits and not on the back of Jesus.
We are to help carry the cross, not ride the damn thing.
Step up to your own responsibilities and stop trying to put them on a murdered man.
Agreed. Both the victim and the person who has done the deed are the one's who carry the pain/guilt and various attached emotions (eg. "why me?"/feelings of insignificance/of I can't be true to myself... the list is endless!) Only by recognizing the issue, releasing the attached feelings and forgiving all that need to be forgiven (including self) can we be truly happy.
One would have to prove God exists before giving Him our dominion and right to judge.
If He did exist, to think that a loving God would be waiting in heaven to punish instead of cure is rather barbaric and would only serve those who love to hate.
The only reason that we jail perpetrators here is because we cannot cure them. To think that a God who can cure would instead torture forever is to have God act in an immoral way.
Hell is demonstrably an immoral construct.
Regards
DL
You need to educate yourself on the definition of Holiness, especially as it relates to God.
To Jesus’ sacrifice.
Why have you forsaken me is answered here.
Pro 21:3 To do justice and judgment [is] more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.
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[SIZE=2][/SIZE]Psa 49:7 None [of them] can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
To think that justice comes through the murder of an innocent man is immoral.
To think that God wants us to ride a scapegoat into heaven is silly. We are to get there on our own merits and not on the back of Jesus.
We are to help carry the cross, not ride the damn thing.
Step up to your own responsibilities and stop trying to put them on a murdered man.
Regards
DL
Matthew 20:28
"The Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many." Jesus
You will never see heaven as a result of your own merits. Nowhere does Scripture instruct us to "carry our own cross." The shed blood of Christ saves us.
The reason Jesus points at the commandments of God, and says to honour them...Is because they were being broken by all who were coming into the new or pomised lands...under a monetary system...which breaks the very first two commandments!
Taking of the lands by way of war...also broke a commandment...coveting the land before going into the land (waring and hating) to take it, also breaks a commandment...and so on, and so forth.
So did the Jews (who were in the wilderness with God), do right by waring on her neighbours to gain rights to the lands (Canaan), they presumed God gave them?
If we follow the old testement, which Jesus also followed.
We find in Genesis that God made all things in six days....
Now in such a beginning God was with the word...and the word was truth.
And with the word God made the Garden in six days.
So in the wilderness and barren lands the Jew Now possesed after the exodus....they walked with God...the God of creation....and with God and the masses of people in the wilderness, that recieved the word of God and the laws of God , before moving to any new land...They could of made the wilderness into paradise in less than six days, with God, and the many!
No killing, no coveting, no lies, no liars, no Idols, No theiving, or robbery, no hatred, no BLOODSHED or Sacrifices!!!...etc.
But what path did they chose?
ofcourse the wrong path leads to destruction..and ruin...and pain and suffering...and woe and wrath...
And we have that now in the world....wonder why?
Now forgiveness is with Jesus and God....and in time we will see the futility of our bent and sinful nature.
And things will not work after a certain amount of time , under Grace (Time) to learn the reasons why God said , what God said...Cause and effect...or effect the cause...to correct the errors...repent...and stop doing the sins, and start doing and obeying the commandments!
Which to this day are still being broken, if we continually use Engraven Images on our monitary media!
The coins of Rome...and now you see Jesus was sent to stop them from Joining in on that system...
Forgiveness is Good...because with out forgiveness all is lost in any hope of humankind returning to EDEN and the paradises that God has now made abundant that are for life, outside of Death!
This world was made for death..and sin is its partner....So to be Good, one must first do as God has asked,,, a sinless soul cannot Die!
Genesis 2:15 is the first instruction or reason for our being born.
Genesis 9:3 speaks of all the givens God gave us to make the Garden with...no mention of any banks, or Money here....wonder why?
And then the laws or commandments....clearly state in the first two, that the engraven Imaged thing we use for our lives...is in violation of the very first two commandments...something Jesus was Kicking around, and even out of his fathers house!
So a truth is in that...as Jesus says Follow me...and for a rich man to enter Paradise, he must first sell it all, Give it back to caesar...THen and only then can he follow Jesus, repent, and wash away the sins,...to complete all The commandments!
Thus the requirements are all met...and the person who complies with God, and Jesus...are the ones that are taken away to the NEW heavens and Earth...where there is abundantly and eternally healthy sound, and presteen estates!
Grace is running out for the sinners and evil doers...and more and more evils are being done under the IDols delusional control or promise of a better life...but in truth it is what keeps us dead to God, and is continually done...mostly without a thought, or mind paying attention to the suffering and woe and wrath it brings continully to the human estate of Sin.
The wages of sin is death...could be translated as the sin of wages is death!
Think about those commandments...and both translations seem Righteous!
And there we see the order of Commandments from the first to the last are now being broken by the many...and they want you to support the madness with taxes and higher and higher living expenses...But forefit your health, Your Givens, and your rights to make Edens!...and even Your eternal SOUL...
as God has asked of us to tend and keep the Garden, and is the reason God made us...why are we not doing it?...$atan!
Oh they will claim their technology is aiding in making a better world...Blah blah blah..
but look and you will see nothing but pollution being covered up, dumped, and mindlessly spewed into the natural elements which should be kept Clean for any kind of Healthy life....see they even remove Your right to health...and then they set up the hospitals and bent pharmacutical companies to reep in the profits and Gains from that bent folly!
Surely you can see this?
So forgive them...if you are sinless...do not let them bring you to ruin...they will not be going anywhere but into their own death....
And as you forgive and forget...You stop yourself from sinning and bringing hate into your life, or, confusion, discord, or other Evils into your life.
Do as God has said, Do as Christ has done...be perfect in that....make the Garden Your prime directive...and do not let anyone say...that plant is bad, or it is a weed...for God did not create anything Bad,,nor are there any mention of God making anything he did not want....In His Garden...so do not omit anything Like Cain Did...
So we know all Plants are Good....and Acts :10:15 solidifies that..."Not to Profane that which God has made clean"...so we know...and we sow all seeds!
Now look...they prohibite the sowing of certain plants and their benefical USE!!...and call those who do sow..."criminals"....while they Pollute the planet with evil and sins of every nature for $$$...and pollution, and sickness, and suffering...selling the dead blood of the life taken...which God also said to not touch!...and asking for human sacrifices in wars with no merits or truths....
Funny paradox of opposites to God you might say....eh?
Grace has been Given...and we can now see the errors blatantly face to face together!
both...............but without reformation and amends forgiveness is enabling.
Too short to make sense of.
Regards
DL
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