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Old 07-28-2020, 12:48 PM
 
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Ages 64 and 61. Both in excellent health. Both, one, or none of us may be accepted. And since it will be a Double Blind test there is no guarantee of receiving the actual vaccine even if accepted.

Testing being arranged by local hospital system.
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Old 07-28-2020, 12:55 PM
 
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Ages 64 and 61. Both in excellent health. Both, one, or none of us may be accepted. And since it will be a Double Blind test there is no guarantee of receiving the actual vaccine even if accepted.

Testing being arranged by local hospital system.
Good for you. And Good Luck!

Oh, BTW, did they tell you that a couple weeks after you get the shots that they were going to take you on a tour of the Covid-19 ward of the hospital to find out if the vaccine really works?

On a more serious note, how are they going to tell if the vaccine really works if the person(s) who gets the shot is never exposed to the virus? They could give you a shot of saltwater, but if you were never exposed to the virus, then you wouldn't catch it.
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Old 07-28-2020, 12:55 PM
 
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Sooo... how do they know if it works? Do they expose everyone to COVID-19 and see who gets it? Serious question.
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Old 07-28-2020, 12:58 PM
 
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I was going to sign up but when you read the form, they cannot ensure that your personal data will be secure. I guess the data is seen by so many people that there is that risk. I held off doing it.
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Old 07-28-2020, 01:11 PM
 
Location: S-E Michigan
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Sooo... how do they know if it works? Do they expose everyone to COVID-19 and see who gets it? Serious question.
Our understanding of the test methodology is to determine if the individuals receiving "the juice" develop functional anti-bodies against the virus. I am certain the 10 question web application is for preliminary screening purposes only and not the final permission step.
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Old 07-28-2020, 01:14 PM
 
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Ages 64 and 61. Both in excellent health. Both, one, or none of us may be accepted. And since it will be a Double Blind test there is no guarantee of receiving the actual vaccine even if accepted.

Testing being arranged by local hospital system.
Based on your answer in your second post of testing for antibodies, if that is the process, then why bother to run a "control group"? Do they think that someone could imagine themselves into producing antibodies in their blood stream? Doesn't make sense to me.
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Old 07-28-2020, 01:25 PM
 
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Based on your answer in your second post of testing for antibodies, if that is the process, then why bother to run a "control group"? Do they think that someone could imagine themselves into producing antibodies in their blood stream? Doesn't make sense to me.
Scientists are rigorous. They can only establish one fact at a time. However, they can also compare the degree of symptom development of those producing antibodies to those not producing, in both the control and treated groups as the basis of even further evaluation.

If the results from that are clear they may recommend whether to keep going on that vaccine or pick another candidate.
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Old 07-28-2020, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Good for you. And Good Luck!

Oh, BTW, did they tell you that a couple weeks after you get the shots that they were going to take you on a tour of the Covid-19 ward of the hospital to find out if the vaccine really works?

On a more serious note, how are they going to tell if the vaccine really works if the person(s) who gets the shot is never exposed to the virus? They could give you a shot of saltwater, but if you were never exposed to the virus, then you wouldn't catch it.
They'll simply compare the two groups at the same points in time. The groups (to get or not to get the vaccine) are randomly assigned so just as many people should be exposed (or not exposed) in either group. Since it all evens out due to random assignment they just need big numbers to account for the fact that not all people will actually get exposed.

Ahhhh...the wonders of modern science (and experimentation in general).
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Old 07-28-2020, 01:40 PM
 
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Ages 64 and 61. Both in excellent health. Both, one, or none of us may be accepted. And since it will be a Double Blind test there is no guarantee of receiving the actual vaccine even if accepted.

Testing being arranged by local hospital system.
What are the reasons you decided to be vaccine test subjects?
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Old 07-28-2020, 01:42 PM
 
Location: S-E Michigan
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Based on your answer in your second post of testing for antibodies, if that is the process, then why bother to run a "control group"? Do they think that someone could imagine themselves into producing antibodies in their blood stream? Doesn't make sense to me.
Theoretically it is possible for control group members to develop anti-bodies via unknown exposure to infected people in the general population.
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