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Old 06-15-2016, 12:14 AM
 
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That "discovery" is flimsy beyond ridiculous. It is a shame they use raw stuff like that for the PR justifying future funding. Couldnt they find better ways to fund those facilities? It feels like yellow science journalism.
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:48 AM
 
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That "discovery" is flimsy beyond ridiculous.
How so? Please list examples to back up your claims.
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It is a shame they use raw stuff like that for the PR justifying future funding.
This sounds very uninformed perhaps you can flesh it out more to define what you mean by "raw stuff". While your at it perhaps you can explain to us your understand about funding in this specific case.
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Couldnt they find better ways to fund those facilities? It feels like yellow science journalism.
Better ways to fund?...give an example of what you are talking about? And what facilities are your referring to?

Can you define yellow science journalism?
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:49 AM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Do tell what the point of this garbage you posted is about? Do you think the Earth is flat? Just exactly what point are you personally trying to say with these utterly bs videos?

I am surprised this is even allowed to be posted in the Space forum.
At a guess I'd say it was a knee jerk reaction to the news that the universe wasn't created by God. Mind you, 'space' ... ? You think maybe?
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:54 AM
 
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At a guess I'd say it was a knee jerk reaction to the news that the universe wasn't created by God. Mind you, 'space' ... ? You think maybe?
I wish there were stricter rules so that bozos like the bible thumpers and space/science illiterate folks are not allowed to post their ignorant opinions...unless they can back them up with credible evidence, or their misrepresentations and misinterpretations as well as their non-credible videos.

They are merely thread hijacking polluters.
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:58 AM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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I seen a light wave and a Partical double helix.I also saw a sub atomic worm hole open in my dinning room.Light escaped it but it was like a rainbow and it was moving along the carpet,like it was static electricity.

You make me think of the day I got this phone call from the police saying they had my son - naked. They picked him up walking up and down the street starkers. I found the remnants of his mushroom tee in the kitchen. That's not what the 'space' sub-forum is about.

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Old 06-15-2016, 07:04 AM
 
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How so? Please list examples to back up your claims.
This sounds very uninformed perhaps you can flesh it out more to define what you mean by "raw stuff". While your at it perhaps you can explain to us your understand about funding in this specific case.
Better ways to fund?...give an example of what you are talking about? And what facilities are your referring to?

Can you define yellow science journalism?
First, gravitational waves were "discovered" a few times before LIGO, false eager "discoveries" are nothing new. LIGO claims defy scientific method itself, they are not verifiable/testable, they are not repeatable. We are just invited to believe that staff scientists eliminated thousands possible reasons, known and unknown, that instrument could register a signal. Sorry, science is not faith based, I dont believe a scientist any more than than I believe anybody else whose paycheck is at stake. The fact that the news about gravitational waves was out and massively televised in spite of scientific method itself, suggests in no unsertain terms a PR campaign. Much like Coast-to-Coast-AM science funding depends on mesmerising of scientifically illiterate peasants and politicians with science like pulp fiction stripped of details and heavy stuff, just light fiction to keep imagination/interest going among the dumbest listeners who feel "included" and willing to pitch in in this way. Show me a politician who would dare to call for defunding of LIGO now.
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Old 06-15-2016, 05:06 PM
 
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First, gravitational waves were "discovered" a few times before LIGO, false eager "discoveries" are nothing new.
No they were predicted before, not discovered.

Maybe you are confused. Please post your citations when you make claims that others don't buy.

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LIGO claims defy scientific method itself, they are not verifiable/testable, they are not repeatable.
I think you don't have a good understanding of the Scientific Method.

Was it predicted? Yes
Was it observed? Yes
Was it tested? Yes

The LIGO detectors have observed gravitational waves from the merger of two stellar-mass black holes.

The detected waveform matches the predictions of general relativity for the inspiral and merger of a pair of black holes and the ringdown of the resulting single black hole.

These observations demonstrate the existence of binary stellar-mass black hole systems. This is the first direct detection of gravitational waves and the first observation of a binary black hole merger.

Observation of Gravitational Waves from a Binary Black Hole Merger

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Sorry, science is not faith based,
You got that right! This is what separates it from both religion and philosophy. Science discoveries are based on the empirical evidence following the Scientific Method.
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I dont believe a scientist any more than than I believe anybody else whose paycheck is at stake.
Just as I don't believe a scientifically illiterate person whose religion is at stake due to scientific advancements.
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Old 06-15-2016, 05:36 PM
 
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We are just invited to believe that staff scientists eliminated thousands possible reasons, known and unknown, that instrument could register a signal.
It appears that you don't know anything at all about the types of detectors they use.

Observation of Gravitational Waves from a Binary Black Hole Merger

*See* Section III Detectors

*See* Section IV Detector Validation
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Old 06-16-2016, 01:34 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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LIGO scientists announced yesterday, June 15th, 2016 that LIGO detected the gravitational waves for a second time.
"The second discovery means the first discovery was not a one-off, 'we got lucky,' kind of thing," David Reitze, current executive director of the LIGO Laboratory, told Space.com. "If I could encapsulate what the second discovery means … it's that LIGO is for real."

LIGO scientists waited until now to announce the second detection because they had to make sure that it was real, and that it was caused by a black hole collision, team members said.
- See more at: Double Black Hole Collision Spotted By Gravitational Wave Detector

Again! Gravitational Waves Detected From 2nd Black Hole Collision | Video
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Old 06-19-2016, 08:03 AM
 
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Do tell what the point of this garbage you posted is about? Do you think the Earth is flat? Just exactly what point are you personally trying to say with these utterly bs videos?

I am surprised this is even allowed to be posted in the Space forum.
Why can't you watch them for yourself ?
What do you really know about this project and how it gained this "information",
then stretched that "information" to propose about two "colliding black holes" ?
It's bunk. B U N K bunk. Nothing personal ! And don't you dare drag religion into
this. I am not even talking about religion at all.
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