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It would be nice to see development in the Syracuse area focus on creating new urban developments like Kentlands outside DC in
Maryland. It basically tried to recreate the traditional village feel. A commercial town center with apartments and townhouses near the center than an interconnected grid of single family homes. Parks, trails, sidewalks, street trees, streetlights, underground power lines. Much better IMO than the disconnected suburban cul-de-sacs with no sidewalks or street lights and street trees and you have to drive to everything (even parks). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent...burg,_Maryland
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Originally Posted by leadfoot4
I understand what you're getting at, and I can't accurately comment on Syracuse, as I don't live there. But based on what I've seen in the Rochester area, where I've lived for the last 65 years, let me saw this. While these "planned communities" may be nice, the problem is that you essentially need 2 major pieces of the puzzle to fall into place AT THE SAME TIME.
Those pieces are a place for the residents to live, and a place for the residents to work. Without both, the theory falters. It happened in the Rochester area, with the previously mentioned "planned towns" of Riverton, to the south west of Rochester, and Gananda, to the east of Rochester.
I'm more familiar with the east side of the area, so my comments apply to Gananda. From what I saw and heard, it appeared that the developers of Gananda looked at the early success and growth of the Xerox Corporation, and the construction of Xerox's sizeable manufacturing complex in the Town of Webster, NY, east of Rochester.
It was assumed, incorrectly, as it turned out, that the growth would continue for decades to come, therefore housing for the assumed thousands of workers would be needed. A few investors pooled their ideas and monies, and the planned town of Gananda came to be. It was about a 15 minute drive to the Xerox complex. Long story short, Xerox didn't grow at the assumed rate, therefore the number of employees didn't occur, so the housing wasn't needed.
Bottom line, Gananda stalled, and is now simply a small community "out in the boondocks"......
In terms of the Kentlands development, the open land in between Destiny USA and Franklin Square within city, could be a great location for that type of development and you wouldn't have to recreate the street pattern/grid due to being in place. So, it is an area just waiting for development, if environmentally sound, as it was where the Oil City industrial area was located.
You also have the Township 5 lifestyle center in Camillus, but it is more of a shopping plaza built environment that has potential for having more of a village like built environment: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0553...8192?entry=ttu
You could also do something like this in the former Kennedy Square property on the East Side just east of Downtown/north of University Hill and where Loguen Crossing was supposed to be right now next to the Bio Tech Accelerator: https://cnybac.com/
With the planned community aspect, Radisson in the town of Lysander is a similar type of community to Riverton in Henrietta and Gananda in Walworth in Wayne County to where all three communities are attached to this Federal housing act: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...nt_Act_of_1970
There are about 7,000 residents and is now a census designated place according to the US Census, with more growth on the way if Micron comes to fruition. It doesn't have the shopping and village like component of Kentlands, but has shopping either to the east on Route 31(which also has room for a village like/mixed use development): https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1845...8192?entry=ttu or some in the village of Baldwinsville: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1587...8192?entry=ttu So, there is potential to tie all of these areas together with development along Route 31, which would be a straight shot to the east on that road.
So, there is an example of live, work and play within a planned community in the Syracuse area and it is within a short commute of the new Micron facility.
There are about 7,000 residents and is now a census designated place according to the US Census, with more growth on the way if Micron comes to fruition. It doesn't have the shopping and village like component of Kentlands, but has shopping either to the east on Route 31(which also has room for a village like/mixed use development): https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1845...8192?entry=ttu or some in the village of Baldwinsville: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1587...8192?entry=ttu So, there is potential to tie all of these areas together with development along Route 31, which would be a straight shot to the east on that road.
So, there is an example of live, work and play within a planned community in the Syracuse area and it is within a short commute of the new Micron facility.
It appears that in the link you posted above, you're referring to the "planned town" of Gananda a town that was previously discussed in this discussion. The link that I've posted, below, is about Gananda, and if you read it carefully, you'll see that things aren't all that rosy there.....
It appears that in the link you posted above, you're referring to the "planned town" of Gananda a town that was previously discussed in this discussion. The link that I've posted, below, is about Gananda, and if you read it carefully, you'll see that things aren't all that rosy there.....
I am familiar with the issues Gananda had in not meeting expectations. HUD pulling out played a part in that.
If you notice they were called Title VII New Towns. If people look at old maps of the Syracuse area, you may find maps that say "Lysander New Community". That is the previous or another name for the current Radisson Community in the town of Lysander. So, Radisson is actually a similar type of community that is associated with that federal act and while not as populated as projected as of now; it does have industry, recreation and variety in terms of housing. Ironically, this Micron announcement may jumpstart more development in the community and bring the population closer to what HUD projected.
I am familiar with the issues Gananda had in not meeting expectations. HUD pulling out played a part in that.
So, Radisson is actually a similar type of community that is associated with that federal act and while not as populated as projected as of now; it does have industry, recreation and variety in terms of housing. Ironically, this Micron announcement may jumpstart more development in the community and bring the population closer to what HUD projected.
I was in my late teens/early 20s, when this Gananda project was instituted, as well as bandied about, all over the Rochester newspapers and TV news stories. And as we have all witnessed, it simply didn't meet the expectations, NOT BY A LONG SHOT!!
I know that I can be sometimes criticized as being a "Donnie downer", sometimes, but at the end of the day, facts are facts, and dreams remain just that. Gananda, and similar projects, just didn't make it, and projects like that, after being stalled for many years, seldom get back on track.
For the sake of the people who live there, I sincerely hope that Gananda at least remains stable, but given the increases in the costs of services, etc, I wouldn't be shocked if some day Gananda simply "goes out of business", and the residents are stuck there.
I was in my late teens/early 20s, when this Gananda project was instituted, as well as bandied about, all over the Rochester newspapers and TV news stories. And as we have all witnessed, it simply didn't meet the expectations, NOT BY A LONG SHOT!!
I know that I can be sometimes criticized as being a "Donnie downer", sometimes, but at the end of the day, facts are facts, and dreams remain just that. Gananda, and similar projects, just didn't make it, and projects like that, after being stalled for many years, seldom get back on track.
For the sake of the people who live there, I sincerely hope that Gananda at least remains stable, but given the increases in the costs of services, etc, I wouldn't be shocked if some day Gananda simply "goes out of business", and the residents are stuck there.
I get all of this and mentioned that it stalled fdue to HUD pulling out of the development. I think Gananda could come back, if industry nearby expands, as it has its own school district and the infrastructure is in place.
With Radisson, which also was planned to hold more people, the potential for growth in that community is more legitimate due to the Micron announcement. It would literally be a drive down Route 31 to that facility. In turn, it is likely to at least be considered for more development.
Also, Radisson actually has some other development that it appears that Gananda never got in terms of industry. Hence, this Budweiser plant in that area(good pay per hour too): https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1659...8192?entry=ttu
It also has recreation facilities, as mentioned before. So, Radisson has some of the things that Gananda was probably going to get, if HUD stayed on and that would have made it more well rounded.
Radisson just lacks a retail base and walkability in terms of to a business district.
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