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The Syracuse area has an advantage over the other 8 Great Lakes metropolitan areas.
The rolling hills are much larger and wide spread in the Syracuse area.
There are only 9 large Metropolitan Areas who can use the ample water supply from the Great Lakes ... Milwaukee, Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, Grand Rapids, Toledo, Buffalo, Syracuse and Rochester.
I have the opinion that Syracuse shouldn't waste or ignore one of the main advantages it has over other Great Lake metropolitan areas.
Most people want to live in beautiful places, not just live near them.
Homes with scenic views in the hills are a selling point.
It is my opinion that there should be a town full of New homes in the Syracuse area with sidewalks, walking trails, and grocery stores and some shopping options within walking distance of most neighborhoods. This will attract people to live in the Syracuse area for those who enjoy newer built up areas with walkable neighborhoods and nearby shopping in an attractive built environment and an attractive natural setting.
So which hilly town in Onondaga County should allow over 20,000 new single family homes with access to public water and sewer?
Elbridge?
Van Buren?
Lysander?
Marcellus?
Onondaga?
Pompey?
When this happens I believe the Syracuse area will be much more competitive with Rochester for newcomers because this area would resemble the Fairport, Penfield, Victor area .... which has thousands of new attractive neighborhoods in a beautiful natural environment, close to shopping, trails, sidewalks, with good schools which is a strong attraction for transplants moving to the Rochester area.
The Syracuse area has an advantage over the other 8 Great Lakes metropolitan areas.
The rolling hills are much larger and wide spread in the Syracuse area.
There are only 9 large Metropolitan Areas who can use the ample water supply from the Great Lakes ... Milwaukee, Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, Grand Rapids, Toledo, Buffalo, Syracuse and Rochester.
I have the opinion that Syracuse shouldn't waste or ignore one of the main advantages it has over other Great Lake metropolitan areas.
Most people want to live in beautiful places, not just live near them.
Homes with scenic views in the hills are a selling point.
It is my opinion that there should be a town full of New homes in the Syracuse area with sidewalks, walking trails, and grocery stores and some shopping options within walking distance of most neighborhoods. This will attract people to live in the Syracuse area for those who enjoy newer built up areas with walkable neighborhoods and nearby shopping in an attractive built environment and an attractive natural setting.
So which hilly town in Onondaga County should allow over 20,000 new single family homes with access to public water and sewer?
Elbridge?
Van Buren?
Lysander?
Marcellus?
Onondaga?
Pompey?
When this happens I believe the Syracuse area will be much more competitive with Rochester for newcomers because this area would resemble the Fairport, Penfield, Victor area .... which has thousands of new attractive neighborhoods in a beautiful natural environment, close to shopping, trails, sidewalks, with good schools which is a strong attraction for transplants moving to the Rochester area.
Planned developments are nothing new. Rochester had/ has 2 of them. Riverton, in Henrietta, and Gananda in the Walworth area. Both were planned to be 100,000, I believe. Never got close. Another thing, the towns you mention are there because of a 150 year old village. Also, the places you mention in ROC are like that not because of one town. The whole east side is much more wealthy, as well as more populated.
But that's a good idea you have. It would be nice if it's adjacent to another wealthy area or two.
Thanks for the information about planned communities in the Rochester suburbs. I didn't know. You made good points.
There is a Syracuse suburb planned community called Radisson in the town of Lysander that is a success. Very close to full build out there now with no room to expand since it is next to a river, a wildlife management area and business park.
Pompey is the wealthiest town and one of the most scenic. Very good FM school district in the northern part. It probably makes the most sense but probably would have the most people against that much growth due to the wealth and influence of the people living there.
In my opinion what ever town has the least number of NIMBYs will see the growth and prosperity.
The Syracuse area has an advantage over the other 8 Great Lakes metropolitan areas.
The rolling hills are much larger and wide spread in the Syracuse area.
There are only 9 large Metropolitan Areas who can use the ample water supply from the Great Lakes ... Milwaukee, Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, Grand Rapids, Toledo, Buffalo, Syracuse and Rochester.
I have the opinion that Syracuse shouldn't waste or ignore one of the main advantages it has over other Great Lake metropolitan areas.
Most people want to live in beautiful places, not just live near them.
Homes with scenic views in the hills are a selling point.
It is my opinion that there should be a town full of New homes in the Syracuse area with sidewalks, walking trails, and grocery stores and some shopping options within walking distance of most neighborhoods. This will attract people to live in the Syracuse area for those who enjoy newer built up areas with walkable neighborhoods and nearby shopping in an attractive built environment and an attractive natural setting.
So which hilly town in Onondaga County should allow over 20,000 new single family homes with access to public water and sewer?
Elbridge?
Van Buren?
Lysander?
Marcellus?
Onondaga?
Pompey?
When this happens I believe the Syracuse area will be much more competitive with Rochester for newcomers because this area would resemble the Fairport, Penfield, Victor area .... which has thousands of new attractive neighborhoods in a beautiful natural environment, close to shopping, trails, sidewalks, with good schools which is a strong attraction for transplants moving to the Rochester area.
As someone that primarily grew up in a hill community outside of the city in one of those towns, you may have to consider the weather and the additional infrastructure in terms of roads, sidewalks, etc.
Also, that community also is known for having a lot of limestone underneath and in turn, the aspect of radon is a real thing. So, that is another factor that may not be visible, that has to be considered.
Another thing is that given the towns mentioned, some aren't really as hilly as some towns and given that they are second nd third ring towns, that promotes sprawl, which frankly isn't needed given the room for development not only within the city, but even within first ring suburbs. So, while living in the hills has a nice ring to it and can still be done in the first ring in the towns of Onondaga, DeWitt and Geddes, there is an aspect of practicality that has to be considered. Meaning, the area really needs to be built up from the inside out first or at least at the same time.
This also doesn't consider any agricultural properties and the fact that hilly in the area is really in the southern portion of the county, away from Micron.
As someone that primarily grew up in a hill community outside of the city in one of those towns, you may have to consider the weather and the additional infrastructure in terms of roads, sidewalks, etc.
Also, that community also is known for having a lot of limestone underneath and in turn, the aspect of radon is a real thing. So, that is another factor that may not be visible, that has to be considered.
Another thing is that given the towns mentioned, some aren't really as hilly as some towns and given that they are second nd third ring towns, that promotes sprawl, which frankly isn't needed given the room for development not only within the city, but even within first ring suburbs. So, while living in the hills has a nice ring to it and can still be done in the first ring in the towns of Onondaga, DeWitt and Geddes, there is an aspect of practicality that has to be considered. Meaning, the area really needs to be built up from the inside out first or at least at the same time.
This also doesn't consider any agricultural properties and the fact that hilly in the area is really in the southern portion of the county, away from Micron.
Yeah, but that type of consciousness of lack never gets you anywhere. There is no such thing as sprawl if it is a walkable and continuous with the surrounding suburbs.
What you are basically saying will spell disaster for the area if that small minded thinking prevails.
Name one Metropolitan Area that is successful that has that type of consciousness toward growth? All will have super high home prices if you'd find one.To me it is just classroom environmentalist, lack consciousness, NIMBY, fear based consciousness that says stuff like that. It is stuff you learn in classroom but isn't practical in real life.
Do you think Austin, Texas or Nashville or Portland, Oregon would be successful, thriving Metropolitan areas if they didn't expand outward with new homes in desirable areas with schools?
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Are you saying Portland, Oregon sprawls with an urban growth boundary? All it is an expansion of the urbanized area. There is plenty of farmland in Upstate New York. It will not run out by allowing the suburbs to expand by 20,000 new homes. There are almost 20,000 new homes built every year in the suburbs of Portland, Oregon because their urban growth boundary expands as they grow.
High demand in places with good school districts will just raise home prices if you try to ban suburban growth. Look at California.
Yeah, but that type of consciousness of lack never gets you anywhere. There is no such thing as sprawl if it is a walkable and continuous with the surrounding suburbs.
What you are basically saying will spell disaster for the area if that small minded thinking prevails.
Name one Metropolitan Area that is successful that has that type of consciousness toward growth? All will have super high home prices if you'd find one.To me it is just classroom environmentalist, lack consciousness, NIMBY, fear based consciousness that says stuff like that. It is stuff you learn in classroom but isn't practical in real life.
Do you think Austin, Texas or Nashville or Portland, Oregon would be successful, thriving Metropolitan areas if they didn't expand outward with new homes in desirable areas with schools?
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Originally Posted by bellafinzi
If done right, expanding the suburbs to the rural areas is bringing walkablity to areas that are car dependent.
You don’t get walkability with building 20,000 homes in hilly settings though. What does that have to do with walkability? It sounds more like sprawl to just build that many homes further away from the city, where the built environment is all set for walk ability and infill. You also have first ring suburbs like Mattydale and Nedrow that also have room for infill and potential for a more walkable environment, along with CENTRO Bus access.
Again, Syracuse doesn’t have to be like Austin or Portland, two cities that also constantly pushed out certain communities out and in the case of Austin, has had sprawl/infrastructure burden issues. Portland also implemented an urban growth boundary to reign sprawl in. Syracuse really needs to work its way inside out, with community input. Suburban areas will take care of themselves in terms of demand and villages offer walkability at a smaller scale, with some infill potential as well. So, this more about a matter of approach, based on things that those places didn’t do “right” and where the potential development is in regards to walkability/infill.
There isn't enough room for 20,000 single family homes with yards in Nedrow or the villages of Onondaga county.
Syracuse city schools are most likely not going to change into a great school district over night. I have a relative who works in the city schools and he has endless horror stories about how children act in school...so I doubt people looking for a good school district in a safe neighborhood to raise kids are going to be attracted to live in the city.
There isn't enough room for 20,000 single family homes with yards in Nedrow or the villages of Onondaga county.
Syracuse city schools are most likely not going to change into a great school district over night. I have a relative who works in the city schools and he has endless horror stories about how children act in school...so I doubt people looking for a good school district in a safe neighborhood to raise kids are going to be attracted to live in the city.
Does everyone what a home with a yard though? That is the thing, as not everyone wants a big home with a big yard to take care of or just want a solid home/property with walkability as an option.
Also, the Syracuse City SD varies and there are other options within/just outside the city that families can and do go with. I say that as someone who recently had a nephew graduate from Corcoran High’s International Baccalaureate program and Onondaga Community College, as well as his sister graduate this year from Bishop Ludden. Plus, having the Say Yes to Education program helps to incentivize families to live and at least consider enrolling in select schools in the district. People may not know that schools such as Syracuse Academy of Science charter and magnet school ITC have grad rates in the 90’s in terms of percentage. So, there are options for families that may want to live in the city.
Aside from that, the city is the place in the area that offers the best infrastructure for development in a walkable environment. Outside of the city, the villages are with some select other communities/streets. It would make sense to start there and at least extend the infrastructure from said suburban villages/streets outside of the city.
So, that is another thing to consider in terms of those that want walkability versus stereotypical sprawling suburbia.
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