Ex-PE teacher charged with child porn possession (move, area)

[tinytrump]

Kaybri73, I am very sorry, this happened to your family- I pray all of you can find comfort and peace and know that some are fighting the good fight to prevent this type of crime, (((Kaybri73)))

[Make sense]

Tinytrump....I have not or never been the perfect child or person....however I do look at things from actual reality. While I was in high school, I never thought about being with a teacher...let alone making passes at one. There are hundreds of thousands of children who will never be caught up in this situation because of what they are taught at home. There are many more who will have the common sense to know that you can't just trust everyone and thats teachers included...(this was me)...so this leads me to believe that while some kids may fall victim to this activity, there are others that if in this situation...would not say anything unless it comes to light. I'm talking about the child in this case. That being said...there are countless acts like this that goes on daily throughout the country that will never be exposed. Now in each one of these situations....how do we know if the "victim" or the teacher was the manipulator? And whose decision was it from both parties to remain quiet so that no one will know. I bet during the time that you were in school there was someone that was doing this too. You just didn't know about it and no one was talking. I'm not taking a side in either court because to me the "victim could be just as guilty as the teacher although the teacher has a greater responsibility in having better judgement. It is the parents who have to take the side of their children. The public of course are going to have feelings but it is best in my opinion to remain neutral until all that facts are heard. See with you, how could you be on a jury if you had to be at trial for one of these types of cases....I would find it hard to believe that you wouldn't have your mind made up on how you would find the defendant. Because you said that you would take the side of the child regardless...

Lets just say hypothetically speaking that you were on the jury and it comes out the that the alleged victim was the manipulator by their own admission and admitted to sending the picture/video to the teacher without him or her enticing the victim to send it. The teacher deletes the image or images but never says anything about it except to the victim. And because girls or boys at this age talk...another teacher gets wind of the situation and reports it to authorites. An investigation begins. How would you then view the case?

[Make sense]

Kaybri 73, I too I'm sorry that you had to go through that in your family....I understand what you are saying that "pedofiles"should have that type of punishment. I just don't believe that everyone that is caught in this situation is a pedofile and that we should be cautious of what we say until all is said and done. With your particular situation..I assume that in court that individual was found guilty way beyond a reasonable doubt...so therefore he got what he deserved. I'm sorry.

[weisenheistz]

Around here, who knows for sure unless you have all the facts. Hell, I purchased a computer on the secondary market and it had all kinds of crap on it that I certainly didn't download or know what's on it or in the harddrive. Some stuff just didn't get deleted, or the hard drive could have been switched or swapped. Techically if there were underage porn on it, I guess FDLE could have arrested me with reasonable suspicion as well, or make a prima facie case against me as the owner of the computer. I also have downloaded other data by pure accident or by a slick link that I had no intention of really clicking on, haven't you ? then had a tough time getting rid of it !

I don't know what happened with this man, but that's what courts are for. We don't even know if anyone else had access to his computer at any time, right ?

Lots to know - be careful I submit.

[tinytrump]

Make sense The original post- there is a hot places for those who are guilty... It was the thinking that the children always were the one's that lied against an adult bla bla, the adult fall into a trap and still today, you are saying the same thing- maybe the child lies or is provoking the teacher, she is old enough to know better. AGAIN, if an adult comes across an issue, as the adult. You REPORT it. period. YES Children/ teens may miscontrue what happened, and even do stupid things- maybe you didn't, but it happens and now with cell phones it is worse.
You give the CHILD the benefit of the doubt and hear them OUT- If it is a case of child exploitation, protect the children first, present the evidence, unravel the truth- then when the trial is in motion let the jury or the judge decides the final verdict.
Pictures do not lie once forensics has extracted them and put them through million dollar analytical instrumentation to run tests, add time lines, location etc etc.
They are unearthing how many boys in Marianna, FL. Ask yourself why? who did NOT hear these kids out. MY beef- who saw or knew and kept their mouth shut. That was my initial reply.

[tinytrump]

Originally Posted by weisenheistz

Around here, who knows for sure unless you have all the facts. Hell, I purchased a computer on the secondary market and it had all kinds of crap on it that I certainly didn't download or know what's on it or in the harddrive. Some stuff just didn't get deleted, or the hard drive could have been switched or swapped. Techically if there were underage porn on it, I guess FDLE could have arrested me with reasonable suspicion as well, or make a prima facie case against me as the owner of the computer. I also have downloaded other data by pure accident or by a slick link that I had no intention of really clicking on, haven't you ? then had a tough time getting rid of it !

I don't know what happened with this man, but that's what courts are for. We don't even know if anyone else had access to his computer at any time, right ?

Lots to know - be careful I submit.

Thatas why there is an investigation,,, and yes be careful of hidden files on used PCs, but again timelines,,, google holds every single inquiry for life, some 2 yrs. and if my pc goes wild and stuff start popping in bad dowloands because of a virus, Id report it.

my leasing agent found som cds at a yard sale- though it was a movie until 1/2 way in n yes they called the cops.

[Make sense]

Tinytrump....I still want to know how would you find in my hypothetical scenario that I gave you....I'm not at all going against what you are saying...just want to know what would be your stance if that was the given evidence.

Also...there are timelines and whatever when checking phone records...however...I think that the law states that the possession of these items is a crime. Clearly he didn't report it and that in it of itself probably cause him to be in this situation. However I think law enforcement knows who sent what to whom.

[Kaybri73]

Thanks for the the kind words. She was 9 and is 20 now and I can honestly say it has definitely affected who she is. I started working with law enforcement right after that (as a dispatcher) and through that was able to work with other families going through it. That is why I say I am bias. I dont care how old the child is, they are still by law a child. A teacher IMO is held to a high standard and should never posses inappropriate pics of that nature. If it was sent to him unsolicited he should have immediately reported it and notified the parents. So regardless there should be repercussions even if his only fault was his lack of doing the right thing. On another note, just because a child is say 16, doesnt mean they are old enough to necessarily "know better." Teenagers make bad decisions everyday. They dont always know or understand the consequences of their actions. Every scenario is different and should be handled based off facts.

[Make sense]

The most misunderstood verse of the Bible, and the one that people love to quote the most is Matthew 7:1, which is traditionally rendered as:

Judge not lest ye be judged.


People like to use that verse because they think it validates the erroneous assumption that Jesus approved of liberal moral relativism.

In fact, Jesus did nothing of the kind. And his warning about judgement is not a prohibition against all judgements, but a warning against certain kinds of judgement.

The whole context is this:

1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.


The point is not: Do not judge. The point is: If you judge, you will be judged by that measure. Therefore, take the log out of your own eye before you speak about the speck in your brother's eye.

It is a warning against making rash, hypocritical and overly harsh judgements.

It will turn on you.

How do we know that Jesus didn't mean to prohibit all judgements?

Because Jesus tells people to JUDGE in other circumstances.

(John 7:24) "24Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment."" .


Also:

Luke 17:3 "If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.


In other words, if you've judged that your brother has sinned, say so!

You can make that call.

The judgment Christians are to refrain from is judgment concerning the eternal fate of anyone. Leave intentions, motives, and final worth to God. We are not to confuse the judgment of the actions of people with sitting in judgment over them as to their eternal fate.

[tinytrump]

Originally Posted by Make sense

Tinytrump....I still want to know how would you find in my hypothetical scenario that I gave you....I'm not at all going against what you are saying...just want to know what would be your stance if that was the given evidence.

Also...there are timelines and whatever when checking phone records...however...I think that the law states that the possession of these items is a crime. Clearly he didn't report it and that in it of itself probably cause him to be in this situation. However I think law enforcement knows who sent what to whom.

To answer the question as a juror, present the all facts-the prosecutor must prove guilt-with or with out of what the gal says. If the facts seem clear and unwavering, he is guilty. There has to be MORE than just a simple "he did it"! If, the gal framed the teacher and that is proved by the defence, I say, he is ONLY guilty of NOT reporting it. Remember before they go to trial they must KNOW what charge will stick with the evidence they have,,, the gal might surprize all explain everything and it line UP with the evidence, then again only "failing to report" is his crime and he goes home or whatever the penalty is for that . I have no problem with that- let the TRUTH prevail. BUT with children that gets a little blurry.. and always has. so INVESTIGATE and hear the child out first- I hope that explains my view.