Poll: Most Texans want statewide smoking ban (Austin, Midland: to eat, design)

[TexasHorseLady]

Originally Posted by getmeoutofhere

Uh, what?

Your lack of understanding about what the Constitution is appalling.

Have you read it? Have you read what the men who wrote it had to say at the time? They were not shy about writing down everything that they thought (and, no, they didn't always agree initially on every detail, but they came to agreement and that's what they signed).

How about this (I quoted it earlier, but perhaps you missed it):

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

That's as applicable today as it was then (perhaps moreso). And guess who they "those who would give up essential liberty (for others) to purchase a little temporary safety" are in this discussion?

[getmeoutofhere]

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

Have you read it? Have you read what the men who wrote it had to say at the time? They were not shy about writing down everything that they thought (and, no, they didn't always agree initially on every detail, but they came to agreement and that's what they signed).

How about this (I quoted it earlier, but perhaps you missed it):

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

That's as applicable today as it was then (perhaps moreso). And guess who they "those who would give up essential liberty (for others) to purchase a little temporary safety" are in this discussion?

Well, as nice a quote as that is, it's not in the US Constitution. When it came to that particular document, they wrote as little as possible, on purpose.

A more fitting quote might be from Justice Jackson:

"The Constitution is not a suicide pact."


Again, your lack of knowledge about the Constitution itself is appalling.

[HtownLove]

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

Now, any cook worth their salt (interesting old phrase, that) knows that WHEN you salt is as important as how much salt is added,

lol, yes, salting food while it is cooking helps with moisture.

I was just messing with you on throwing salt in bars.

[PanTerra]

Originally Posted by HtownLove

lol, yes, salting food while it is cooking helps with moisture.

I was just messing with you on throwing salt in bars.

Gotta watch out for second-hand salt.

[blkgiraffe]

Since we're talking about throwing food; let's try and pass a law that anyone who throws popcorn in a theater should be shot or beat on site.

[Annie53]

This is America. {well, it used to be}

If a bar or restaurant owner wants to allow smoking in his establishment, he should be allowed to.

If the owner is OK with smoking, the employees are OK with smoking and the patrons are OK with smoking.......why should it be anyone else's business? You don't have to work there and you don't have to eat or drink there.

Please tell me why anti-smoker's have a problem with this.

[HtownLove]

Originally Posted by jluke65780

Since we're talking about throwing food; let's try and pass a law that anyone who throws popcorn in a theater should be shot or beat on site.

having problems with people throwing stuff at you in movies??? LOL, that was me the other day btw. I am sorry, the movie was boring. I had to entertain myself somehow.

[HtownLove]

Originally Posted by Annie53

This is America. {well, it used to be}

If a bar or restaurant owner wants to allow smoking in his establishment, he should be allowed to.

If the owner is OK with smoking, the employees are OK with smoking and the patrons are OK with smoking.......why should it be anyone else's business? You don't have to work there and you don't have to eat or drink there.

Please tell me why anti-smoker's have a problem with this.

they are not anti smoking. They are just anti dying of cancer and spiting up tar and having bloody lungs.

[Cathy4017]

Originally Posted by Annie53

This is America. {well, it used to be}

If a bar or restaurant owner wants to allow smoking in his establishment, he should be allowed to.

If the owner is OK with smoking, the employees are OK with smoking and the patrons are OK with smoking.......why should it be anyone else's business? You don't have to work there and you don't have to eat or drink there.

Please tell me why anti-smoker's have a problem with this.

That is pretty much how Midland's ordinance was set up, except it applies to all public places, not just bars. It may have changed since I left, but this was the new ordinance that was set up around 3 years ago.

It's a good balance.

Business owners have 3 choices:

1. Allow smoking anywhere in the establishment; there are no non-smoking areas.

2. Allow smoking only in designated areas. BUT.....the non-smoking and the smoking areas have to have completely separate ventilation systems, with no possible way for smoke to get into the non-smoking areas. This is a very expensive option, so very few businesses took this one.

3. Allow no smoking at all anywhere in the establishment.

MOST businesses and restaurants (except the bars) chose option 3. But the point is.....they had a CHOICE.

FWIW: I am an ex-smoker going on 32 years.

[HtownLove]

Originally Posted by Cathy4017

That is pretty much how Midland's ordinance was set up, except it applies to all public places, not just bars. It may have changed since I left, but this was the new ordinance that was set up around 3 years ago.

It's a good balance.

Business owners have 3 choices:

1. Allow smoking anywhere in the establishment; there are no non-smoking areas.

2. Allow smoking only in designated areas. BUT.....the non-smoking and the smoking areas have to have completely separate ventilation systems, with no possible way for smoke to get into the non-smoking areas. This is a very expensive option, so very few businesses took this one.

3. Allow no smoking at all anywhere in the establishment.

MOST businesses and restaurants (except the bars) chose option 3. But the point is.....they had a CHOICE.

FWIW: I am an ex-smoker going on 32 years.

I would not have a problem with those choices at all.

see progress does come from regulation.