Texans: Are You Guys Worried About "The Wall" and Imminent Domain? (San Antonio: transporting, to buy)

[Bo]

The Texas border is the Rio Grande River. Ranchers whose property adjoins the border won't be able to get their cattle to the river to drink.

Also, there are uninhabited places in Texas, where the terrain on one side of the river (border) is a cliff that is 1,000 feet higher than the other side. No wall is needed there.

Most of the biggest wall advocates have never seen the Texas border. It's not like a lot boundary between your back yard and your neighbor's. Some of it is rugged and remote. Some of it is spanned by bridges.

[ikoolu]

thank you for making my point -walls are for security - walls keep people out

and as far as a siege - 50,000 per month! thats a siege by anyones standard

i am for legal immigration - i also want to maintain mine and my families quality of life - i dont want to pay more taxes, i dont want my kids to be burden with higher taxes, i dont want to expose my kids to more and more illegal drugs, TB and other diseases that illegals bring in

I dont want to pay more and more of my taxes to educate the scores or illegals here now much less unlimited millions if we dont have control of our boarders

thew wall is about immigration and how we are going to deal with it in the future - i can only surmise that liberals and progressives do in fact want our quality of life to go down, want higher taxes, want to change americas to a socialist country

i dont - i done see Mexico taking in millions of Central America immigrants - and i do see what has happened in Europe and dont like what i see

its sad to see so many that want to turn us to lower our standard of living and quality of life -

[lonestar2007]

Originally Posted by Ivory Lee Spurlock

I'm not in favor of building a wall along the Texas-Mexico border for the following reasons:

1. Where there's a will, there's a way. People will find other ways to cross the border, such as tunnels and ladders.

2. Another reason I am not in favor of building a wall is nobody from Mexico and Central America has ever done anything that has caused me (or anybody I know) any kind of harm or trauma. In 64 years, I have never been mugged, robbed, assaulted, cussed out, . I'm not at war with the people from that region and have no reason to be. The United States is plenty big in area to bring in plenty of immigrants.

3. Another reason I am not in favor of building a wall is that I beleve if the wall does get built, it will probably get tore down before the end of this century.

4. The purpose of the wall is to keep undocumented people from entering the country from South of the border. At the same time, walls can keep people in, if the US govt should ever decide it's best to not let it's citizens cross the wall.

5. The idea of building a wall does not seem like the "American Way". It seems almost like what a 3rd world country would do.

If the wall does get built, the US just might as well give the Statue of Liberty back to France, because the US does not live by the inscription on the Statue of Liberty where it says something to the effect, "give us your poor, your tired, the week, and down trodden".

If our forefathers had all had this same type mentality . . . well, let's just say none of us would be where we are today. You can take the saying 'where there's a will, there's a way' to either work for you, or as in your case, to work against you. I ask, why not take the positive option?

I've never been mugged, robbed, assaulted, cussed out, or lost a job due to an undocumented person either. Does that mean it doesn't exist? Or just that since it hasn't happened to me, it doesn't concern me. Well, maybe. That is, until it does just happen to you, God forbid. Does it become an issue to you then? I suppose you could apply this same attitude to a drive by shooting in an inner city area miles from your home. Someone's innocent child is shot and killed, but your child isn't. It did not affect your life at all except perhaps a fleeting sense of sadness a child was innocently killed. But still, nothing like that ever impacted your life, so why be concerned or get involved?

You do not give a reason you think the wall will be torn down before the end of the century. You also say it does not seem like the American Way. What is your perception of the American Way? Do you believe America is a not a sovereign country? At this point in time I do have trouble with people who tend to think America is still a newly discovered mass of land, a place to go and stake your claim in if you can just find the means to get there. Wide open, wild and free for the taking. You know, we've come a long ways, baby from those days. It is it's own country now, a sovereign nation, with it's own laws and rules and citizens who fought for this and who want it this way.

You statement about the government using the wall to keep it's citizens from leaving the country is pretty far out of left field. Oh, I know anything is possible, right? But wow.

I know one thing, this country wasn't built on such a defeatist attitude. We developed cures for diseases, we did not shrug and ask why bother since new diseases would always be coming along that would require new research, new drugs to be developed. We did not sit back and say, well, this polio is a bad deal, but what you gonna do about it? No, we did something about it and were always fighting to come up with solutions. So, the fight continues. To have an attitude of why bother, it probably won't work anyway is just unacceptable.

The bottom dollar is, America is a sovereign country with laws and rules to be obeyed and everyone (citizens, non citizens, wannabe citizens) need to understand and respect that.

[Cinco Ranch]

Is this “wall” actually being built? I thought this whole wall thing was just a joke

[malcorub16]

Very few people on this forum (if any) will be ranchers that own property along the international boundary, so eminent domain will mater to very few.

I will take a pragmatic approach. I will say, finishing the wall/fence in CA NM and AZ makes sense to me since the large fences erected by prior administrations have proven effective, I am thinking about the one between San Diego and Tijuana....sure tunnels are built from time to time but for the most part the fences have slowed illegal crossings and that of contraband. It would also be difficult to build a tunnel in an uninhabited desert area where border patrol can see what is happening on the other side of the fence easily without the cover of structures or trees. However, there is already a natural barrier between Texas and Mexico so this part does not make sense to me. It seems like natural forces and overflowing river will damage the wall frequently making it very costly to build and maintain.

For me, "The Wall" could have been built without over politicizing it as past administrations have done so its just a political tactic by this administration as far as I am concerned.

In summary, my opinion is finish the wall/fence in the desert and leave the Texas border alone.

[animalcrazy]

Originally Posted by ikoolu

so tell the former resident of the white house to tear his new 10 footer down would be a start
and while you are at it ask the Vatican to get with the times and tear theirs down

then maybe you drive to Beverly Hills and Malibu and tell the righteous liberal actors to tear theirs down

then fly over and tell the Israelis to tear theirs down -

Walls / barriers/ fences/ working all you want but it won't change the fact that they do work

That's a great argument, but it only works because the walls and fences surround a small area and cover the entire area. Your boy Trump says that all the coyotes have to do is "take a left and welcome to America." So if the illegals just take a left and they drive another what ? ten miles because the border wall doesn't cover the entire border? Then what? Welcome to America ten miles later?

Do people that have fences use technology such as cameras as well?

The border is not someone's back yard. It's way bigger and more complex.
Yes Israel's wall stopped the suicide bombers. It is also heavily patrolled and has sensors that alert their border patrol.

Here's another interesting fact, "Israel's border with Gaza is flat, sandy desert, unlike parts of our border with Mexico. The Hamas terror organization that runs Gaza takes advantage of the loose soil to dig large tunnels into Israel ......" Source azcentral My turn. Want to build a border wall? We can learn a lot from Israel.

We have to explore other questions. How many people fly into Israel and over stay Visa's? How many semi's come into Israel from border countries? How many illegals come to Israel to work?

I found an article from Haaretz: Report shows that African Asylum Seekers Make Up Minority of Illegal Aliens in Israel. "There are 92,000 foreigners living illegally in Israel- almost 18,000 are working here illegally, and 74,000 CAME INTO THE COUNTRY AS TOURISTS AND OVER STAYED THEIR VISA."
There you go. The wall DOES NOT STOP ILLEGALS FROM COMING HERE nor anywhere else in the world.

Change has to come from within, and our country is addicted to illegal cheap labor. That's the bottom line. Border security is important, but so is addressing ALL of the problem. The wall is just a giant waste of tax payer money. Work smart and put it to better use addressing all of the problem.

[tcualum]

Originally Posted by ikoolu

so tell the former resident of the white house to tear his new 10 footer down would be a start

Do you not know the difference between a fence and a wall? Obama put an iron fence around the house. In fact, it's the same sort of fence (although taller) that our former home's HOA requires in front of the houses in the neighborhood. Trump's a real estate developer so you'd think he'd know the difference between a fence and a wall.

[nobodysbusiness]

Originally Posted by Bo

The Texas border is the Rio Grande River. Ranchers whose property adjoins the border won't be able to get their cattle to the river to drink.

Also, there are uninhabited places in Texas, where the terrain on one side of the river (border) is a cliff that is 1,000 feet higher than the other side. No wall is needed there.

Most of the biggest wall advocates have never seen the Texas border. It's not like a lot boundary between your back yard and your neighbor's. Some of it is rugged and remote. Some of it is spanned by bridges.

I am one of those people who is totally ignorant of geography - I wonder *how* a wall could even be built in those remote regions - and it would really spoil the beauty of nature . . .

Isn't part of the border on the Rio Grande itself? Are they going to build a wall in the river? It's all just kind of mind-boggling and Texas is unique in its geography related to "a wall."

[Arkay66]

My brother is on wall repair duty in Arizona. He's been shot at from Mexico, snake bit, and broke an ankle falling into a tunnel. Our southern border is a dangerous place.

Where the wall's already been built, when they discover a tunnel underneath, it's promptly blocked with non-permeable materials. After a time, the drug cartels (for that's who is doing the tunneling) move to another location.

Have never heard of anyone tunneling under the Rio Grande. Mostly, they slip over in boats and on rafts, and when there's another drought on, they wade over.

Still, the priority for a wall should be in California, Arizona and New Mexico, not Texas. As the wall closes off access in areas where it's so very easy to cross the border, additional BP resources can patrol the Rio Grande. Only then should we be looking at whether or not a wall in Texas is necessary.

[Bo]

Originally Posted by nobodysbusiness

Isn't part of the border on the Rio Grande itself? Are they going to build a wall in the river? It's all just kind of mind-boggling and Texas is unique in its geography related to "a wall."

Yes. You've zeroed in one the key issue in Texas. The wall can't be built in the river, so it will have to be built on someone's private property, to separate their property from the river. And if the land owner doesn't cooperate, the land upon which the wall is to be built will be seized by eminent domain.