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Old 06-29-2017, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Tulsa
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I think fears are overblown due to all the TV propaganda to help boost our military funding and serve as a distraction for the real horrors going on around the world. bad **** can happen anywhere. Our own government can detain you for any propped up charges too and probably collects more data and surveillance than the boogeyman in NK.

It's probably safer there than most of North Philly or Detroit.


These guys I follow visited....interesting viewing. Much of it was even surprising to me, who was guilty of being conditioned by the same brainwashing most of my life.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZZ_J1m8KKA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QaNA9eSQVE

You just can't believe all the BS you're fed in the "news".

They have

their own Crater lake they share on the

border with China and is quite beautiful and so is ours.

You can visit it from China instead, but it's

pretty remote I think. I'm sure there's more.

Heaven Lake (Cheonji) - crater lake | Fresh Travel Destinations

and I'll bet 99% of people on this site aren't aware that domestic propaganda was made legal in 2012- 2013 with the repeal of the Smith-Mundt act and companies like Bell-Pottinger were given $540M contracts to make propaganda videos over in Syria/Middle east among other places. This is happening at home too. You just have to open your eyes and it becomes obvious.
The crater lake(tianchi) is actually a very popular tourist destination in China. There are plenty of hotels(Westin,Sheraton, etc), restaurants and pretty much all the tourist infrastructure you need.
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There's no need to go to North Korea for the lake.

Anyway, if you have been to the Crater Lake in Oregon, you don't really need to visit other crater lakes around the world. I'm not saying the American one is better, but a crater lake is just a crater lake. You see one, you see all.
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Old 06-29-2017, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Pennsylvania / Dull Germany
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I'm not very concerned with risk. Downtown Buffalo is definitely more dangerous.

As I stated before, you won't be allowed leave the guided tour to explore the real North Korea. I'm not interested in the staged show.
Well, they cannot stage the whole country. As you can see, you will explore various places within the capital Pyongyang but also drive around the country for several hours and see a lot about the countryside if you book those kind of excursions. You see poor towns with just dirt roads, people working in the fields, many military trucks in poor condition.

We discussed with our guide after a couple of days if we were allowed to go the main railway station which is nicely illuminated at night, and he said he will check with his bosses. So that evening we went out as a group (while not allowed to talk to local people) and walked there from our hotel and took some photos.

Yes, many things are staged. But still you will get a really deep impression of a closed country, that few people in the world might get.
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Old 06-29-2017, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Tulsa
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Well, they cannot stage the whole country. As you can see, you will explore various places within the capital Pyongyang but also drive around the country for several hours and see a lot about the countryside if you book those kind of excursions. You see poor towns with just dirt roads, people working in the fields, many military trucks in poor condition.

We discussed with our guide after a couple of days if we were allowed to go the main railway station which is nicely illuminated at night, and he said he will check with his bosses. So that evening we went out as a group (while not allowed to talk to local people) and walked there from our hotel and took some photos.

Yes, many things are staged. But still you will get a really deep impression of a closed country, that few people in the world might get.
Did you see anything special?
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Old 06-29-2017, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Pennsylvania / Dull Germany
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What would you consider "special"?

We saw everything from landscape, people, architecture,...
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Old 06-29-2017, 10:28 AM
 
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What would you consider "special"?

We saw everything from landscape, people, architecture,...
Something you can't see in other Asian countries.
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Old 06-29-2017, 10:34 AM
 
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Well, they cannot stage the whole country. As you can see, you will explore various places within the capital Pyongyang but also drive around the country for several hours and see a lot about the countryside if you book those kind of excursions. You see poor towns with just dirt roads, people working in the fields, many military trucks in poor condition.

We discussed with our guide after a couple of days if we were allowed to go the main railway station which is nicely illuminated at night, and he said he will check with his bosses. So that evening we went out as a group (while not allowed to talk to local people) and walked there from our hotel and took some photos.

Yes, many things are staged. But still you will get a really deep impression of a closed country, that few people in the world might get.
It sounds like China in the early 70s.

Even though you can't talk to locals in North Korea, you can probably talk to older Chinese if you are curious about what it's like living in a poor isolated communist state back then.
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Old 06-29-2017, 10:53 AM
 
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It sounds like China in the early 70s.

Even though you can't talk to locals in North Korea, you can probably talk to older Chinese if you are curious about what it's like living in a poor isolated communist state back then.
Or just South Koreans.... even though they weren't exactly communist, it was a poor country ruled by a dictator.
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Old 06-29-2017, 11:07 AM
 
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What would you consider "special"?

We saw everything from landscape, people, architecture,...
....saw people .... but were forbidden to talk with them ? ( post #122, 2nd paragraph )


Woooooo, what a great experience !............SARC
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Old 06-29-2017, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Pennsylvania / Dull Germany
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....saw people .... but were forbidden to talk with them ? ( post #122, 2nd paragraph )


Woooooo, what a great experience !............SARC
If you were allowed to talk to them, still they would only understand Korean and maybe some little Chinese.
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Old 06-29-2017, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Tulsa
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....saw people .... but were forbidden to talk with them ? ( post #122, 2nd paragraph )


Woooooo, what a great experience !............SARC
I guess everyone is skinny.
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