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Old 09-07-2016, 06:37 PM
 
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Thanks, I will check out In Cold Blood. I've heard other people recommend it as well.
As long as you're willing to go back awhile, try "Blood and Money" by Tommy Thompson.

One of the all time greats and, after In Cold Blood, which was written in the 1960s, the first famous true crime book.

Also, the classic Betty Broderick book, ",Until the Twelfth of Never" by Bella Stumbo. Brilliant!

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Old 09-08-2016, 05:42 PM
 
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Old 09-11-2016, 10:59 AM
 
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I've read many, Evidence of Love is still my favorite.

https://www.amazon.com/Evidence-Love.../dp/0932012485

It is just so weird, can't forget it.
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Old 09-11-2016, 09:30 PM
 
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This may or may not be true. Especially if it turns out that Smith and Hickock were on a multi-state kill spree, and the Clutter killings weren't just a fluke or an attack of jealous rage after all:

‘In Cold Blood’ killers’ DNA doesn’t match Florida murdersÂ* - NY Daily News

Honestly, I never thought the "Perry killed the whole family because Dick wanted to rape Nancy Clutter" theory really held water. All it did was get them in hotter water with the police than they would have been in if they had just left with egg on their faces. After the Clutters all died, Smith and Hickock went on to adventures all over the place, and Dick was with at least a couple of other sex partners with Perry's full knowledge. Perry never turned a hair about those people, now did he?
I agree with your thoughts pretty much.
I never read anything that suggested Smith and Hickcock went on a multi-state killing spree, but I think there's a real possibility they could have; spree killers didn't get any coordinated attention from multi-state agencies back then like they do now.

If they hadn't been caught, the probability that they would have gone on to kill other families is true enough in my mind.

Capote got one big essential about the pair's relationship right, I think- that alone, neither may have not been capable of killing. But together, each became a couple that could, and did, commit murder. Hickcock certainly understood the bottled up rage in Smith could be switched on to commit murder, and killing the Clutters was his idea.
History shows other pairs like this; Leopold and Loeb are a close example.

To me, Hickcock is exactly like a gang leader who loves the power of holding life or death in his hands, and can always find someone to do the job for him and manipulate them into losing whatever reserve they may have.

Smith, once he had killed the family, would have gone on to kill others. The last shred of his internal reserve disappeared once the killings began, and for once in his life, he was the top dog, the destroyer. A person has to look at photos of Smith to understand this- his broken legs made him freakishly short; above the waist he looked like a person of average size, but below the waist, he looked like a dwarf. And he had a severe limp.

We will never really know what went trough Capote's mind, but one thing was for sure; writing the book destroyed him just as much as the killers who were the book's center.

The project took far longer than he anticipated, and for all the years between the trial, the appeals, and the execution, Capote, who was trapped by his own ambition, lied to Smith, the guy he found himself in love with.

He had to lie to keep his access to the pair, which was really remarkable, as no outsider today would have gained so much time alone with them, and he could not interfere with the certain outcome, as that would have left so much work, done for such a long time span, unfinished.
By the time of the executions, excerpts from the book had already been published, and Capote had a big commitment from his publisher to deliver. The public was eager and salivating to read the book after the excerpts.
In Cold Blood made him a far richer man than any other of his works. At the same time, the writing plunged him into very dark places he had never gone before and would never go again, and Capote could never go back to his old themes and inspirations.

Smith got his revenge on life with a shotgun. Capote got his revenge with a pen sharp as a knife, dipped in pretty poison.
They shared a lot in common, and Capote came to realize that, and it paralyzed him forever. it was a lot easier for him to become alcoholic and spend the rest of his life in superficial celebrity than attempt to find a new book inside him.

I always admired Ann Rule's objectivity. She could get as close to her subjects as Capote, but she was always very clear-minded; she knew who her villains were and always put up a strong internal boundary between them and her.
She also understood herself very well. She had the patience to let an unfinished work rest until there was a conclusion, and went to work on another project when one needed the rest. She was better at letting all the natural drama unfold without over-coloring it as well, but Capote's natural flamboyance forced him to be more colorful, even if he had to make things up to get it.
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Old 09-16-2016, 11:13 AM
 
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Default best book that gets into the minds of criminals the most

the best book that you know of that gets into the inner depths of a criminals mind. How they think and what makes them think the way that they do.
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Old 09-17-2016, 01:35 AM
 
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John Douglas the ex-FBI Profiler wrote some excellent books on the subject. -

Mindhunter: Inside the FBI's Elite Serial Crime Unit
Journey Into Darkness
Obsession

He's wrote a few others as well which you can google.

Another one from the same genre which was excellent was from another FBI agent Robert Ressler "Whoever Fights Monsters: My Twenty Years Tracking Serial Killers for the FBI".

They are page turning reads but very unnerving. I found them fascinating but they are truly frightening books.
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Old 09-18-2016, 02:41 AM
 
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John Douglas the ex-FBI Profiler wrote some excellent books on the subject. -

Mindhunter: Inside the FBI's Elite Serial Crime Unit
Journey Into Darkness
Obsession

He's wrote a few others as well which you can google.

Another one from the same genre which was excellent was from another FBI agent Robert Ressler "Whoever Fights Monsters: My Twenty Years Tracking Serial Killers for the FBI".

They are page turning reads but very unnerving. I found them fascinating but they are truly frightening books.
Thanks for the tips. I just ordered "Whoever Fights Monsters", the Robert Ressler book on Amazon as an e-book on Kindle Reader. What very, very good interesting book. I don't want to stop reading, its that good!

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Old 09-18-2016, 03:25 AM
 
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Thanks for the tips. I just ordered "Whoever Fights Monsters", the Robert Ressler book on Amazon as an e-book on Kindle Reader. What very, very good interesting book. I don't want to stop reading, its that good!
It is excellent. He discusses some fascinating cases. It is a book you can read many times. I think some of these men that fight this evil are amazing. You would have to be very psychologically strong. Not for the faint hearted that's for sure.

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Old 09-18-2016, 05:59 PM
 
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I liked "Our Guys" by Bernard Lefkowitz . It covers the Glen Ridge rape case.

Also "Mother's Day" by Dennis McDougal. That one's about Theresa Cross Knorr who is about as sick as it gets.

She murdered two of her daughters and coerced her other kids into helping to cover it up.Really disturbing book.

Then there is "All She Wanted" by Aphrodite Jones. It's the case behind the movie "Boys Don't Cry".

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Old 09-25-2016, 12:19 AM
 
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Well, I just finished the Robert Resslerbook, "Whoever Fights Monsters". I can recommend this one with two thumbs up!
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