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Old 12-08-2015, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I have never seen an Atom but I believe that they exist. I have never seen oxygen but I know it exists. I am seeking reliable evidence of the paranormal. Too often your answer is the answer I see to those seeking details or questioning certain events.


When I am trying to understand things I try to go from general to specific. In this one area I too often find I go from general to obscure.


I am shocked because I expect people who are passionate about something to want to discuss it and give me the most trivial details of what they are passionate about, whether I wish them or not.


Example: If I were speaking to someone who is passionate about model trains I may never be able to get them to shut up about the different gauges, time periods, their experience with real trains and where I can see them or study them. Paranormal? Not so much.


Most paranormal events happen when the person experiencing them is alone.
I can't recall one time when someone was with me during an event, but there was one event I shared with others after it happened, and I had tangible evidence the event happened.
Therefore, there is no way of being specific as to the details, because those hearing of the event, have no proof it ever happened.

I can go into as much detail as you wish regarding events I have been involved in, but unless you are right by my side when they occur, even though they are real events, to you, and all others, they are nothing more than story telling.


Bob.
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Old 12-09-2015, 03:58 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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Let me tell you a little story 8 years ago I dreamt I was in a german village and a lady told me I wasn't german I had polish roots.i moved on with my life.

A few years ago I had a dna test, I had markers only found in polish populations.
One answer required decades and decades of scientific research funding in genomics and molecular biology,the other required going to sleep.

Intuitive knowledge is valueable.embrace the feminine,don't rely on masculine reason for everything.

To quote Einstein "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honours the servant and has forgotten the gift"
Intuition is not a paranormal mystery.
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Old 12-09-2015, 04:04 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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Most paranormal events happen when the person experiencing them is alone.
I can't recall one time when someone was with me during an event, but there was one event I shared with others after it happened, and I had tangible evidence the event happened.
Therefore, there is no way of being specific as to the details, because those hearing of the event, have no proof it ever happened.
I do not understand this. Others hearing of the event have no proof it ever happened, but YOU know and cannot be specific?

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I can go into as much detail as you wish regarding events I have been involved in, but unless you are right by my side when they occur, even though they are real events, to you, and all others, they are nothing more than story telling.

Bob.
One thing we do have proof of is frauds and charlatans. I am not saying you are one but I would hope even you do not take everyone making claims of unexplained and paranormal events at face value.


If you have had many experiences than you should come up with a way to documents such events such as the use of cameras.
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Old 12-09-2015, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I do not understand this. Others hearing of the event have no proof it ever happened, but YOU know and cannot be specific?


One thing we do have proof of is frauds and charlatans. I am not saying you are one but I would hope even you do not take everyone making claims of unexplained and paranormal events at face value.


If you have had many experiences than you should come up with a way to documents such events such as the use of cameras.


At one time, when I first got involved with EVP, I saved the tapes, but as I got older, and hearing became a problem, I discarded them, because I could no longer hear the faint voices of the spirits.
At a gathering in my house one evening, some of my friends were given the opportunity to listen to a tape, and they did indeed hear my partner's voice, loud and clear.

You mentioned using a camera to document an event.
I had an occasion just after my partner passed, where the hanging lamp in my living room swung back and forth.
In a later contact session with my partner, he explained the actions of the lamp were caused by him, to let me know he was in the room.

Had I taken a picture of that, or even a video, people looking at it would have said I moved it, and while it was swinging, I snapped a picture or a video of it swinging, so you see, positive proof being offered is still open to speculation.
I know the lamp moved, and I also know my deceased partner was responsible for it moving, but there is no way , proof positive, of proving to someone else that the incident happened as described.

Bob.
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Old 12-09-2015, 02:08 PM
 
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People know with their intuition that they have seen spirits,ghosts,felt the presence of things,phenomena like clarivoyance is almost entirely based on intuition.

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Old 12-09-2015, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Under the Redwoods
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Technically speaking, clairvoyance is not the same as intuition.
Clairvoyance means clear seeing, a vision.
Intuition is called claircognizance, clear knowing.
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Old 12-09-2015, 03:19 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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People know with their intuition that they have seen spirits,ghosts,felt the presence of things,phenomena like clarivoyance is almost entirely based on intuition.
Intuition cheapens the reality of sight,sound and physical encounter. If my experiences with the paranormal (or anything else) were based on intuition, I wouldn't consider it an experience, I'd consider it a feeling. clairvoyance is not intuition either. I can't be by definition. That's like saying "my intuition tells me I saw a bear". A physical encounter cannot be considered Intuition.
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Old 12-09-2015, 03:44 PM
 
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You're still using your intutive faculty like a seer.I have visions and I consider them part of my intuition.your intuition is largely prophetic and so are most visions.
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Technically speaking, clairvoyance is not the same as intuition.
Clairvoyance means clear seeing, a vision.
Intuition is called claircognizance, clear knowing.

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Old 12-09-2015, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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People know with their intuition that they have seen spirits,ghosts,felt the presence of things,phenomena like clarivoyance is almost entirely based on intuition.
Intuition is nothing special. It is your brain working in the background trying to make sense of what is going on around it from past data. Sure it can work, but it can be wrong as well. The show Brain Games shows how the mind can be tricked. The mind is just a computer and the more we understand it the more it can be manipulated. Studying the mind is a multi-BILLION dollar industry that makes the paranormal industry look like a carnival side show.
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Old 12-09-2015, 08:44 PM
 
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I don't think you understand intuitive knowledge,example i explained my dream in which I was told I was Polish not german,how is that past data,when I knew nothing about poland at the time,wasn't even thinking of my german heritage.

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Intuition is nothing special. It is your brain working in the background trying to make sense of what is going on around it from past data. Sure it can work, but it can be wrong as well. The show Brain Games shows how the mind can be tricked. The mind is just a computer and the more we understand it the more it can be manipulated. Studying the mind is a multi-BILLION dollar industry that makes the paranormal industry look like a carnival side show.
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