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Old 01-03-2013, 02:40 AM
 
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Really? Again? Things not going well on the domestic front then Cristina?

BBC News - Argentina reignites Falklands row with newspaper letter
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Argentina's president has called on the UK government to hand over the Falkland Islands, in an open letter printed in British newspapers.
Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner urges Prime Minister David Cameron to abide by a 1965 UN resolution to "negotiate a solution" over the islands.
The letter says they were forcibly stripped from Argentina in "a blatant exercise of 19th Century colonialism".
Cristina Fernández de Kirchner's letter to David Cameron | UK news | guardian.co.uk
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Old 01-03-2013, 04:12 AM
 
Location: SW France
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Their economy must be taking a downturn again- that's when they usually bring up this distraction.

Hang on- there might be oil out there. Coincidence.
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Paris, France
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I support most examples of post-colonial dismantling of empires, but this is really farcical.

The islands were uninhabited when British settlers moved there in the 1830s – one of the last landmasses on Earth to be settled by humanity. The current inhabitants are directly descended from these original settlers and should be considered to be the islands' original, indigenous population. Modern Falkland Islanders are an independent, British-descended people like Australians or Anglo-Canadians and have the right to self determination. They are not a colony. They are a tiny autonomous nation in their own right existing under the protection and sponsorship of the UK out of their own free will.

In contrast, Argentina itself was inhabited by indigenous peoples when the Spanish conquered it in the colonial period. Nearly its entire population is descended from European settlers who kicked the original inhabitants of their land. By Kirchner's logic, if the Falkland islanders are to be kicked off their home, and forced to repatriate back to Britain, she should also hand Argentina back to the Techuelche and the Quechuas – and organise a mass return of the Argentinean people to Spain and Italy.

Oil is different. If oil is discovered in significant amounts in the waters around the Falklands, it should go to Argentina. If the UK starts pocketing the revenue from any oil discovered in the South Atlantic we lose any credibility to our argument that we are purely following the wishes of the Falkland islanders.
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Old 01-03-2013, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Scotland
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Keep poking us with a stick and see what happens. What is she trying to achieve? If this works on the Argentine people, this smokescreen to hid her failings, then that's their prerogative.
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:19 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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I support most examples of post-colonial dismantling of empires, but this is really farcical.

The islands were uninhabited when British settlers moved there in the 1830s – one of the last landmasses on Earth to be settled by humanity. The current inhabitants are directly descended from these original settlers and should be considered to be the islands' original, indigenous population. Modern Falkland Islanders are an independent, British-descended people like Australians or Anglo-Canadians and have the right to self determination. They are not a colony. They are a tiny autonomous nation in their own right existing under the protection and sponsorship of the UK out of their own free will.

In contrast, Argentina itself was inhabited by indigenous peoples when the Spanish conquered it in the colonial period. Nearly its entire population is descended from European settlers who kicked the original inhabitants of their land. By Kirchner's logic, if the Falkland islanders are to be kicked off their home, and forced to repatriate back to Britain, she should also hand Argentina back to the Techuelche and the Quechuas – and organise a mass return of the Argentinean people to Spain and Italy.

Oil is different. If oil is discovered in significant amounts in the waters around the Falklands, it should go to Argentina. If the UK starts pocketing the revenue from any oil discovered in the South Atlantic we lose any credibility to our argument that we are purely following the wishes of the Falkland islanders.


I disagree. Ownership of land isn't determined by who showed up and claimed it. International law suggest otherwise: international waters etc. The Falklands should actually belong to Argentina given where it is. The people living there are European - where do you think their loyalties lie??

It won't happen that way though. No other country could care less.
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Baldock, hertfordshire, England
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I disagree. Ownership of land isn't determined by who showed up and claimed it. International law suggest otherwise: international waters etc. The Falklands should actually belong to Argentina given where it is. The people living there are European - where do you think their loyalties lie??

It won't happen that way though. No other country could care less.
Doesnt the UN (and im no fan of the UN) also put emphasis on self determination. If the people of the Falklands want to become The monarchistic marxist republic of North Antartica, thats their right to do so. As it stands, they choose to be British. However, why should they choose to 'belong' to anyone, other than the residents that inhabit it?
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Buenos Aires and La Plata, ARG
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Doesnt the UN (and im no fan of the UN) also put emphasis on self determination. If the people of the Falklands want to become The monarchistic marxist republic of North Antartica, thats their right to do so. As it stands, they choose to be British. However, why should they choose to 'belong' to anyone, other than the residents that inhabit it?
Because, in fact, they are British . This argument, actually, is veeryy naive.
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Buenos Aires and La Plata, ARG
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I support most examples of post-colonial dismantling of empires, but this is really farcical.

The islands were uninhabited when British settlers moved there in the 1830s – one of the last landmasses on Earth to be settled by humanity. The current inhabitants are directly descended from these original settlers and should be considered to be the islands' original, indigenous population. Modern Falkland Islanders are an independent, British-descended people like Australians or Anglo-Canadians and have the right to self determination. They are not a colony. They are a tiny autonomous nation in their own right existing under the protection and sponsorship of the UK out of their own free will.

In contrast, Argentina itself was inhabited by indigenous peoples when the Spanish conquered it in the colonial period. Nearly its entire population is descended from European settlers who kicked the original inhabitants of their land. By Kirchner's logic, if the Falkland islanders are to be kicked off their home, and forced to repatriate back to Britain, she should also hand Argentina back to the Techuelche and the Quechuas – and organise a mass return of the Argentinean people to Spain and Italy.

Oil is different. If oil is discovered in significant amounts in the waters around the Falklands, it should go to Argentina. If the UK starts pocketing the revenue from any oil discovered in the South Atlantic we lose any credibility to our argument that we are purely following the wishes of the Falkland islanders.
I advise you to read more books of history on the topic to inquire better
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Buenos Aires and La Plata, ARG
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On November 6, 1820, Daniel Jewett, from Port Loneliness formalized the possession of the Malvinas in name of the government of the River Plate. The official acting in name of the government of Buenos Aires it occupied the islands invoking the beginning of uti possidetis. This beginning, the Latin-American conditions understood as it at the beginning of last century, it was defining the territorial sovereignty on the basis of the former administrative colonial limits. The European and North American jurists do not accept, in general, this beginning. For them the criterion of sovereignty is given by the effective occupation of the territory.
It is important to indicate that the news of the capture of possession by the Argentina was published both in Spain and in the United States in August, 1821. This fact did not generate the protest of Great Britain. In 1825 this country signed an Agreement of Friendship, Trade and Navigation with the Close Provinces and simultaneously it recognized his independence, and neither in both acts was done any reference to the occupation of the islands on the part of the South American condition.

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Old 01-03-2013, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Baldock, hertfordshire, England
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Because, in fact, they are British . This argument, actually, is veeryy naive.
But there's never been any significant population there other than British.

Its hardly without precedent. Northern Ireland voted to stay British whilst the rest broke away as a Scots/protestant majority prevailed.

The catholics might not like it, but hey, thats democracy.

(dont get any IRA ideas about guerilla warfare!)
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