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"...have access to EU Markets, just as the US does...." Yes, you can try to export to a customs union from without, but there will be a tariff that must be paid.
The EU has developed four freedoms which you must adhere to in relation to free movement of workers, free movement of capital, free movement of services and free movement of capital. The EU states that if you do not adhere to all these principles you can not trade on a parity, however we can still trade with the EU and have access to EU Markets, just as the US does.
As for the four principles, a number of EU Countries don't even adhere to them all, so it's a bit hypocritical asking the UK to do so.
The free movement of goods.
The free movement of services and freedom of establishment.
The free movement of persons (and citizenship), including free movement of workers.
The free movement of capital.
There's always a difference when you're not part of an union .
The EU has developed four freedoms which you must adhere to in relation to free movement of workers, free movement of capital, free movement of services and free movement of capital. The EU states that if you do not adhere to all these principles you can not trade on a parity, however we can still trade with the EU and have access to EU Markets, just as the US does.
As for the four principles, a number of EU Countries don't even adhere to them all, so it's a bit hypocritical asking the UK to do so.
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Wha?
Which countries?
Which freedoms?
Germany has rigid rules and regulations with regard to service industries and the free movement of capital, the French use protectionist measures and state funding to prop up their industries, whilst the Common Agricultural Policy is equally protectionist discouraging free trade.
Luxembourg which is former EU President Juncker's tax haven home does not even permit the free movement of people, nor does free trading ETA country Switzerland, whilst the Eastern European EU Nations such as Poland have clearly stated that they refuse to take migrants, the EU has a Free Trade Agreement with Turkey (European Union–Turkey Customs Union) but refuses Turkey many of the other basic freedoms and so it goes on and on.
All this talk of for Freedoms is complete nonsense.
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If only. Although goods are easily traded and EU citizens have the right to live and work where they please, elsewhere the single market remains a work in progress. Energy, finance and transport markets are far from integrated. The service sector, 70% of the EU economy, is particularly hampered: in 2012 it accounted for only one-fifth of intra-EU trade. Professions are often hard for outsiders to penetrate, thanks to licensing rules, training requirements and other barriers to entry. Ask architects or notaries trying to set up shop outside their home country, or anyone trying to break into Germany’s heavily regulated (and low-growth) services sector. Some countries have over 400 regulated professions. A special diploma is needed to become a corset-maker in Austria.
So in essence what the EU is saying is that we can cherry pick agreements in relation to Turkey, allowing them a lot of free tade under the European Union–Turkey Customs Union but at the same time preventing free movement of Turkish people. However when Britain asks for a free trade deal without the free movement of people we are the ones cherry picking - LOL.
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Germany has rigid rules and regulations with regard to service industries and the free movement of capital, the French use protectionist measures and state funding to prop up their industries, whilst the Common Agricultural Policy is equally protectionist discouraging free trade.
Luxembourg which is former EU President Juncker's tax haven home does not even permit the free movement of people, nor does free trading ETA country Switzerland, whilst the Eastern European EU Nations such as Poland have clearly stated that they refuse to take migrants, the EU has a Free Trade Agreement with Turkey (European Union–Turkey Customs Union) but refuses Turkey many of the other basic freedoms and so it goes on and on.
All this talk of for Freedoms is complete nonsense.
So in essence what the EU is saying is that we can cherry pick agreements in relation to Turkey, allowing them a lot of free tade under the European Union–Turkey Customs Union but at the same time preventing free movement of Turkish people. However when Britain asks for a free trade deal without the free movement of people we are the ones cherry picking - LOL.
Two of the five countries you mentioned, Switzerland and Turkey are not even members of the EU...............
WRT the other countries, it's a given that almost all countries national legislation has some point(s) of conflict with EU requirements, and those issues get resolved by the EU courts.
Here in the US, states get hauled into Federal court almost weekly.
There's a world of difference between that, and a broad derogation for a country that is negotiated politically, outside the courts, such as is being floated for the UK at the moment.
Germany has rigid rules and regulations with regard to service industries and the free movement of capital, the French use protectionist measures and state funding to prop up their industries, whilst the Common Agricultural Policy is equally protectionist discouraging free trade.
Luxembourg which is former EU President Juncker's tax haven home does not even permit the free movement of people, nor does free trading ETA country Switzerland, whilst the Eastern European EU Nations such as Poland have clearly stated that they refuse to take migrants, the EU has a Free Trade Agreement with Turkey (European Union–Turkey Customs Union) but refuses Turkey many of the other basic freedoms and so it goes on and on.
All this talk of for Freedoms is complete nonsense.
So in essence what the EU is saying is that we can cherry pick agreements in relation to Turkey, allowing them a lot of free tade under the European Union–Turkey Customs Union but at the same time preventing free movement of Turkish people. However when Britain asks for a free trade deal without the free movement of people we are the ones cherry picking - LOL.
So other EU countries-in effect-are allowed to cherry pick?
Germany has rigid rules and regulations with regard to service industries and the free movement of capital, the French use protectionist measures and state funding to prop up their industries, whilst the Common Agricultural Policy is equally protectionist discouraging free trade.
Luxembourg which is former EU President Juncker's tax haven home does not even permit the free movement of people, nor does free trading ETA country Switzerland, whilst the Eastern European EU Nations such as Poland have clearly stated that they refuse to take migrants, the EU has a Free Trade Agreement with Turkey (European Union–Turkey Customs Union) but refuses Turkey many of the other basic freedoms and so it goes on and on.
All this talk of for Freedoms is complete nonsense.
So in essence what the EU is saying is that we can cherry pick agreements in relation to Turkey, allowing them a lot of free tade under the European Union–Turkey Customs Union but at the same time preventing free movement of Turkish people. However when Britain asks for a free trade deal without the free movement of people we are the ones cherry picking - LOL.
What is the regulation you refer to to say that Luxembourg does not allow free movement of people? If that was the case, how did all the banks located there staff their offices with people from all over Europe?
EU/EEA/Swiss citizens
EU citizens and others who are allowed free movement may enter Luxembourg and stay there for up to three months with a valid identity card or passport. In order to stay longer, they must either be employed by a company, self-employed, enrolled at a public or private educational institution or have sufficient resources to not be a burden on the social security system and have health insurance coverage. They must go to the local authority offices in their place of residence within three months of arrival, in order to apply for a registration certificate.
There is no need for a visa or permit for such individuals. Nationals from new member states must still apply for a work permit from the employment office.
Germany and France do not restrict the move of people who are EU citizens.
That is what matters in the discussion with the UK basically.
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What is the regulation you refer to to say that Luxembourg does not allow free movement of people? If that was the case, how did all the banks located there staff their offices with people from all over Europe?
EU/EEA/Swiss citizens
EU citizens and others who are allowed free movement may enter Luxembourg and stay there for up to three months with a valid identity card or passport. In order to stay longer, they must either be employed by a company, self-employed, enrolled at a public or private educational institution or have sufficient resources to not be a burden on the social security system and have health insurance coverage. They must go to the local authority offices in their place of residence within three months of arrival, in order to apply for a registration certificate.
There is no need for a visa or permit for such individuals. Nationals from new member states must still apply for a work permit from the employment office.
Germany and France do not restrict the move of people who are EU citizens.
That is what matters in the discussion with the UK basically.
Try actually reading my posts, I stated that Germany and France deny the access to service industries and capital, I said nothing about free movement of people.
As for Luxembourg, yes you can stay there for 3 months with a Valid Visa and Identity Card but that applies to most countries, the UK still allow Europeans to visit for up to a specified period but that's not the same as free movement in terms of being able to go and live somewhere forever and even claim welfare. I don't think you fully understand the EU concept of Free Movement.
As for skilled workers including Bank workers they are allowed to liove in countries because they are deemed skilled workers, indeed Britain will still allow and even encourage skilled workers to live here, what we won't allow is for those who aren't going to contribute to live here, which is the current scenario.
If NAFTA was the same as the EU, then every single person living in Mexico and Canada would have the right to live in America for the rest of their lives, use it's health and welfare system and have a right to everything enjoyed by American Citizens. That is what the EU means by Free Movement. Currently the Turkish don't enjoy Free Movement just free trade but all East Europeans and other countries do enjoy this right.
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Two of the five countries you mentioned, Switzerland and Turkey are not even members of the EU...............
They still have free trade with the EU.
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WRT the other countries, it's a given that almost all countries national legislation has some point(s) of conflict with EU requirements, and those issues get resolved by the EU courts.
Here in the US, states get hauled into Federal court almost weekly.
There's a world of difference between that, and a broad derogation for a country that is negotiated politically, outside the courts, such as is being floated for the UK at the moment.
Such protective legislation is EU Legislation, the corrupt Common Agricultural Policy and the protectionism of German Services and manby other such protectionist measures are written in to EU Law. As for the EU Courts, there are two, the European Courts of Justice which deal with EU matters and the seperate European Court of Human Rights, which is a seperate organisation to the EU.
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