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Old 04-04-2017, 04:00 PM
 
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Canada/Australia/India/most of south african continent...

Can/Aus has the brain power, india has the cheap labor costs/Africa has many of the mines and resources for modern electronics...

The uk can pull something out of the hat. Im looking to see if the uk can finance all of this as a revival of the british empire, or if the debt for it without using the military to command obedience will topple the uk.
the commonwealth ( while harmless ) is a nostalgic throwback to a time when most of the world tipped the hat to britain , neither canada or australia are reliant on the uk in 2017 to a fraction of the degree they once were and canada never was in the first place
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Old 04-04-2017, 04:02 PM
 
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The economic success will depend on good deals with the big markets - EU, USA, China.

As the UK's starting off from a week position can't say I'm hopeful. Whatever the UK gets will be a hit over the current arrangements, the question will be how much.
the one large trump card the uk has is the usa , the usa has always sought to undermine the EU economically and politically and the uk was always an unreliable and disloyal EU member , with trump in the white house i can see the uk using its special relationship when facing down germany and france
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Old 04-04-2017, 05:09 PM
 
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the one large trump card the uk has is the usa , the usa has always sought to undermine the EU economically and politically and the uk was always an unreliable and disloyal EU member , with trump in the white house i can see the uk using its special relationship when facing down germany and france
That's absurd!

It's certainly true that the current Trump admin would like to see the back of the EU, but they are the first ever admin to adopt such a stance. The US has until now always been a strong supporter of the EU.
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Old 04-04-2017, 05:49 PM
 
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The EU and/or the Eurozone is going to collapse all on its own .......

"But the fact that the eurozone has reached a point where the entire system can collapse because of an election, a bailout negotiation or measures taken by a foreign government speaks volumes of its fragility."

https://www.stratfor.com/weekly/stor...7&kwp_1=574052
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Old 04-04-2017, 06:04 PM
 
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The EU and/or the Eurozone is going to collapse all on its own .......

"But the fact that the eurozone has reached a point where the entire system can collapse because of an election, a bailout negotiation or measures taken by a foreign government speaks volumes of its fragility."

https://www.stratfor.com/weekly/stor...7&kwp_1=574052
Ah give us a break, Stratfor!

"Stratfor is just The Economist a week later and several hundred times more expensive."

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...iously/253681/
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Old 04-04-2017, 06:10 PM
 
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Ah give us a break, Stratfor!

"Stratfor is just The Economist a week later and several hundred times more expensive."

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...iously/253681/
So if you can't dispute the message you shoot the messenger?
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Old 04-04-2017, 06:15 PM
 
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the one large trump card the uk has is the usa , the usa has always sought to undermine the EU economically and politically and the uk was always an unreliable and disloyal EU member , with trump in the white house i can see the uk using its special relationship when facing down germany and france
Actually, the U.S. foreign policy elite has sought to bolster the EU as a bulwark against Communism. (Hence Obama's attempt to keep the UK in the EU). Which...now seems an antiquated notion for a time past.
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Old 04-04-2017, 06:31 PM
 
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The economic success will depend on good deals with the big markets - EU, USA, China.

As the UK's starting off from a week position can't say I'm hopeful..
Britain will get a trade deal with the USA. That will greatly enhance Britain's prospects.

I don't know about China or India. I expect that the EU to offer a deal that is poor at best.

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Old 04-04-2017, 06:40 PM
 
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Ah give us a break, Stratfor!

"Stratfor is just The Economist a week later and several hundred times more expensive."

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...iously/253681/
Whether they're a joke or not, the claims made are pretty solid. The EU has serious structural and political problems. BREXIT isn't the UK just being d**ks, that's symptomatic of bigger issues that includes Denmark, France and the Netherlands, to say nothing of the unresolved Greek issue, or Italy's zero growth rate since its 1999 entry into the Euro, and Spain's unemployment crisis, which while it has fallen it is because of emigration, not job creation.

Problem is that the EU are selling (and have been since it happened) the BREXIT vote as being a UK issue, rather than it being symptomatic of larger issues. Until they face these issues, the EU will continue to be fragile, even more so with the UK leaving and extracting it's net contribution.
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Old 04-04-2017, 06:58 PM
 
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Whether they're a joke or not, the claims made are pretty solid. The EU has serious structural and political problems. BREXIT isn't the UK just being d**ks, that's symptomatic of bigger issues that includes Denmark, France and the Netherlands, to say nothing of the unresolved Greek issue, or Italy's zero growth rate since its 1999 entry into the Euro, and Spain's unemployment crisis, which while it has fallen it is because of emigration, not job creation.

Problem is that the EU are selling (and have been since it happened) the BREXIT vote as being a UK issue, rather than it being symptomatic of larger issues. Until they face these issues, the EU will continue to be fragile, even more so with the UK leaving and extracting it's net contribution.
I made no claim nor do I subscribe to the view that the EU is perfect, and I doubt you could find any takers for that proposition. Just as the same can be said of the US, and many other countries.
Stratfor reporting has been called into question so often, I simply wouldn't trust anything in it.
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