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Old 03-29-2013, 05:02 AM
 
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Denver just isn't dense. It's under 4,000 persons per square mile which probably wouldn't crack the top 100 in U.S. cities. I'm not saying this to malign it - I like Denver - it's just the way it is.
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Old 03-29-2013, 06:25 AM
 
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Denver just isn't dense. It's under 4,000 persons per square mile which probably wouldn't crack the top 100 in U.S. cities. I'm not saying this to malign it - I like Denver - it's just the way it is.
Denver has a weighted density of 4800 ppsm and is 18th in US.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:55 AM
 
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Denver just isn't dense. It's under 4,000 persons per square mile which probably wouldn't crack the top 100 in U.S. cities. I'm not saying this to malign it - I like Denver - it's just the way it is.
1/3 of the city is airport. If you take that into account, it's density is around 6000 per sq. mil.

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Denver has a weighted density of 4800 ppsm and is 18th in US.
Thank you.
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:37 AM
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As for Denver's density, from not having been there but checking:

1) Density maps — zoom in to the lowest level to view neighborhood densities. That map is an excellent resource; all regulars should bookmark it!
2) Streetviews
3) Graphs I made

The city or generally the core neighborhoods are much lower in Denver than many cities in the Northeast (including Maryland and the DC metro as Northeast here) or California. Even many smaller cities in the Northeast (Worcester, MA and Providence, RI for example) have higher residential densities near the center. But once you exclude the Northeast, California and Chicago, Denver isn't the densest of American cities but doesn't stand out as low. Miami is denser and Seattle is somewhat denser, though the difference isn't as the large cities in the previous regions mentioned. But otherwise, Denver seems similar to the remainder of cities. Denver may be a bit less dense than Portland or Minneapolis but not by much, at this point it's hard to measure (or rank). If you call Denver a low density city, you're also calling many other American cities low density. But I haven't spent much time in any of these cities, so they're not my reference as cities I'm used to. I wouldn't even base my idea of "normal city" off of typical American city — I'm more familiar with London than any non-Northeast US city. I used to assume midwestern cities were much denser and more walkable than newer, western cities, but that doesn't seem true for many midwestern cities, partially because of severe core declines in the midwestern ones and inner growth in the western ones.

As for walkability, the Pacific Northwest cities seem to be mostly low density with a few exception. But it felt like they tried to be rather pedestrian friendly despite the low density. Perhaps Denver is similar, I don't know.
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:50 AM
 
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There are like 100 cities in the us above 10,000 ppsm. That's what I was talking about. A lot of cities have their airports in city limits as well.
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:59 AM
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There are like 100 cities in the us above 10,000 ppsm. That's what I was talking about. A lot of cities have their airports in city limits as well.
True, but most of those 100 cities are mostly residential suburbs in the Northeast or California small in area.
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Old 03-29-2013, 10:03 AM
 
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True, but most of those 100 cities are mostly residential suburbs in the Northeast or California small in area.
Aware; I didn't think that made them incomparable.

Regardless, 18th isn't great. Isn't Denver slightly less dense than Phoenix?

Ps, I think the comparison between the density of Denver to the NW cities is apt. I think the order of density within 1 mile of downtown is probably Seattle, Portland, then Denver.
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Old 03-29-2013, 10:19 AM
 
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And some have said we don't celebrate density on this forum!

Celebrate. Density. Dance to the music!
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:09 AM
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And some have said we don't celebrate density on this forum!

Celebrate. Density. Dance to the music!
Hands mentioned within a mile of downtown. Not everywhere but don't areas near a center city need density to be good at being center cities? We're not talking about distant suburbs.
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:12 AM
 
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Hands mentioned within a mile of downtown. Not everywhere but don't areas near a center city need density to be good at being center cities? We're not talking about distant suburbs.
Maybe you should take a trip out here before you jump to the conclusion that Denver isn't "dense". I just don't get this. I think you two (you and Hands) just like to get me going!
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