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You can kindly ask a mod to move my posts to the unhappy thread if they bother you so. I won't stop moaning about prolonged ultra warm weather any time soon. "It'll be cooling down next week" is what I've been hearing every week since October and it's only got warmer since.
Would you rather take the +2/-2 averages with possible sleet and slippery roads? I think you are being unrealistic. No way that there would be a stable snow cover and a beautiful winter landscape this time of the year.
When do your permanent snow cover start to form on average? Here it is between Christmas and New Year, and I don't think that it can be many days earlier even in interior Estonia. I'll start moaning if we are in mid-January and still no snow.
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6.0C at 3pm. Should be 3C. Should I start moaning because it's 3 degrees above the norm?
Would you rather take the +2/-2 averages with possible sleet and slippery roads?
Yes.
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I think you are being unrealistic. No way that there would be a stable snow cover and a beautiful winter landscape this time of the year.
No way? In 2008 and 2009, blizzards were raging at this time. Northern Estonia had 44 cm of snow by the end of Nov 2009. "No way" exactly describes current weather, not snow in early winter. November is called Talvekuu or literally "winter month" in folklore.
I don't even care if it's not a winter wonderland yet, I'd be happy with average, normal weather. The normal temp range for today is -3°C to 1°C (based on 1995 to present data). This is the time when ground is frozen but there's no significant snow cover yet. It's relatively dry and clean. I prefer that to the muddy, drizzly, foggy, humid muck that's been going on for months. I know the vast majority of Estonians and Finns prefer just that to real winter, but it's they who are being delusional about their climate, not me.
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When do your permanent snow cover start to form on average? Here it is between Christmas and New Year, and I don't think that it can be many days earlier even in interior Estonia. I'll start moaning if we are in mid-January and still no snow.
On average a long term snowpack forms by early December and temps drop below freezing some time before that. This varies by year and location but late December or even January is definitely later than normal. Up until a few decades ago black Christmases were unheard of. In recent years it's been warmer but Christmases are still usually white. For some reason Helsinki is on average about a degree warmer than Tallinn, that may explain the differences.
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6.0C at 3pm. Should be 3C. Should I start moaning because it's 3 degrees above the norm?
Yes, it's cooling down a bit now but it's nowhere near average or, god forbid, colder than that. This and last week it's been 5-7°C at 6 AM every morning with highs reaching 8-10°C. That's probably more than two standard deviations above the norm as the record high for November is 12°C. It should happen rarely and briefly, not two years in a row for weeks at a time.
As always, cold is only a week away. Sub-freezing temps and snow are forecasted for next Wednesday and beyond. We'll see but I'm not gonna keep a snow shovel in the car just yet.
I realize I'm blowing this way out of proportion but if Galaxyman gets away with his rants, so should I.
I don't even care if it's not a winter wonderland yet, I'd be happy with average, normal weather.
I realize I'm blowing this way out of proportion but if Galaxyman gets away with his rants, so should I.
Bingo! I could not agree more. It has been so long since there had been anything resembling normal, MUCH LESS below normal, that heat waves are the new normal. Our average temperatures have run 10% ABOVE NORMAL this year, and that is significant.
Overcast, of course it's cold, but better than last year.
09:52 pm
Temperature: 2°C/ 36°F
Humidity: 93%
Wind: NW
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