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Interesting, most of Wisconsin in the USA has a lower hardiness zone number than your location in Finland (Gulf Stream influences right?) Places like Hayward, WI are 3B
Yup, Gulf Stream. And I'm on the coast. 3B temps were reached the last time in 1987.
Yup, Gulf Stream. And I'm on the coast. 3B temps were reached the last time in 1987.
Even see Gulf stream influences on the east coast too. In Boston it's a 7a. Nantucket and Martha's Vineyard and Cape Cod are pretty much Oceanic climates. Being on the ocean helps
Even see Gulf stream influences on the east coast too. In Boston it's a 7a. Nantucket and Martha's Vineyard and Cape Cod are pretty much Oceanic climates. Being on the ocean helps
I picked my zone well, Boston has a good climate for East Coast. As for Cape Cod, I'd happily live there, the mild lows put it in my "ideal zone".
Lol USDA zones aren't based on one night. Currently they are based on 1976 -2005 average winter lowest temp. And they update the running average every decade or so. Wanna bet in the next upgrade St. Augustine is 9b. Your current USDA avg min is 24.4F. For the period 1976 to 2005, Jacksonville Intl AP (a well known cold hole) avg winter min is 21F. When you look at 1990-2015 it jumps to 23F. If the next 4 winters stay like the last few, your zone will go up to 9b.
lol yea i know the way i said it made it seem pretty stupid. its just that i find the idea of taking tiny 30 year chunks and labeling a hardiness zone is silly. i know you guys really want Florida to have higher hardiness zones but to pick certain years to fit your agenda doesn't seem very professional. why not take a 100 year average, with each update adding the new years instead of removing old years? isn't more information always better???
the 1970's and 1980's were definitely below average. 1977 and 1989 were really bad years and the loss of them probably made a big difference.
lol yea i know the way i said it made it seem pretty stupid. its just that i find the idea of taking tiny 30 year chunks and labeling a hardiness zone is silly. i know you guys really want Florida to have higher hardiness zones but to pick certain years to fit your agenda doesn't seem very professional. why not take a 100 year average, with each update adding new years instead of removing old years? isn't more information always better???
It isn't an agenda, and 100 year averages aren't always available, but even if they were, it wouldn't make much of a difference. The hardiness zone of Central Park in NYC doesn't deviate from 7b whether you use a 100 year average (6F) or a 30 year average (8F). Some areas may be a half-zone warmer, at most. But at some point you have to take old information with a grain of salt, some climates aren't the same way they were in the 1800's.
why not take a 100 year average, with each update adding the new years instead of removing old years? isn't more information always better???
Because that isn't proper science. We know the climate has changed in the last 100 years. If we want hardiness zones to represent the present climate, the past 30 years is all we need. Older information is less relevant, that's why those years are removed and new ones are added. Too much information can kill you.
Because that isn't proper science. We know the climate has changed in the last 100 years. If we want hardiness zones to represent the present climate, the past 30 years is all we need. Older information is less relevant, that's why those years are removed and new ones are added. Too much information can kill you.
i understand what your saying but 100 years really isn't that much in the scheme of things, i can understand not using 10,000 years of info but too little information can kill you too... using 1980-2010 Jacksonville is 9a, using 1985-2015 Jacksonville might be 9b, using 1960-1990 Jacksonville might be 8b, using 1930-1960 Jacksonville might be 9a etc.
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