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South of Savannah is better for subtropical, then south of & keywest for tropical IMO.
South of Savannah, GA for Subtropical would only make sense in the meaning of relatively widespread plantings of hardy citrus fruit, palms and other borderline almost truly tropical flora. To me Crepe-Myrtles, Camellias, Southern Magnolias and Palmettos are in every way in defining a subtropical climate, and since all all or many of those plants can and do grow in the New York City area, then this makes New York City's Climate Humid Subtropical, and NOT Humid Continental. Btw, South of Savannah should be classed as almost Borderline Tropical in My Opinion as they don't get freezing temperatures often, even in the middle of winter.
South of Savannah, GA for Subtropical would only make sense in the meaning of relatively widespread plantings of hardy citrus fruit, palms and other borderline almost truly tropical flora. To me Crepe-Myrtles, Camellias, Southern Magnolias and Palmettos are in every way in defining a subtropical climate, and since all all or many of those plants can and do grow in the New York City area, then this makes New York City's Climate Humid Subtropical, and NOT Humid Continental. Btw, South of Savannah should be classed as almost Borderline Tropical in My Opinion as they don't get freezing temperatures often, even in the middle of winter.
Those plants mentioned, are capable of growing, and producing viable seed in some Oceanic climates. Would you consider those plants subtropical, if they're capable of thriving in areas that only see a 23C/74F summer average maximum?
Those plants mentioned, are capable of growing, and producing viable seed in some Oceanic climates. Would you consider those plants subtropical, if they're capable of thriving in areas that only see a 23C/74F summer average maximum?
If that is indeed the case than probably NOT, However, some might consider those Oceanic Climates as having a component of being semi-tropical as well, only without the sweltering temperatures and oppressive humidity levels for much of the year like the widely accepted subtropical climates experience.
If that is indeed the case than probably NOT, However, some might consider those Oceanic Climates as having a component of being semi-tropical as well, only without the sweltering temperatures and oppressive humidity levels for much of the year like the widely accepted subtropical climates experience.
I consider a place that can support the greater range of plant species as being more subtropical, than a place that can support less.
That should include plants that have higher summer heat requirements, as well as plants that are frost tender.
Vegetation is the best way of showing the transition of climates, from warmer to cooler, even if it isn't linear.
New York City has magnolias and other southern plant species growing there. It shouldn't have to be able to grow non-native tropical palm species to be subtropical.
New York City has magnolias and other southern plant species growing there. It shouldn't have to be able to grow non-native tropical palm species to be subtropical.
So you're saying it only needs to be able to grow it's own subtropical species, and not subtropical species from other regions?
That would imply that there is no direct link between vegetation and climate.
New York City has magnolias and other southern plant species growing there. It shouldn't have to be able to grow non-native tropical palm species to be subtropical.
New York City has spent $130 million on snow removal this year. It shouldn't have to be able to do this if it was subtropical.
That list should even be shortened too, like Memphis and Norfolk removed.
That article is a bit inconsistent though. It uses the 8 months>10C rule, but then excludes large areas that qualify.
What the heck?
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