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Old 01-17-2020, 11:50 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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The results of a recent study show that most of the climate models run in 2004 have proven quite accurate:

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2943/s...ections-right/

"The authors found no evidence that the climate models evaluated either systematically overestimated or underestimated warming over the period of their projections."

So no, it's not just the "weather".
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Old 01-20-2020, 12:04 PM
 
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The results of a recent study show that most of the climate models run in 2004 have proven quite accurate:

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2943/s...ections-right/

"The authors found no evidence that the climate models evaluated either systematically overestimated or underestimated warming over the period of their projections."

So no, it's not just the "weather".

They have indeed improved on a global scale but they have little or no skill on regional scale
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Old 01-20-2020, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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They have indeed improved on a global scale but they have little or no skill on regional scale
I agree with you completely, especially because some models predicted the Midwest would turn into a desert, and that obviously hasn’t happened, at least not so far. If anything much of the Midwest is becoming wetter from climate change and not drier.
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Old 01-20-2020, 08:44 PM
 
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Coast to Coast AM tonight they'll have a climate discussion.
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Old 01-20-2020, 11:34 PM
 
Location: Central New Jersey & British Columbia
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I agree with you completely, especially because some models predicted the Midwest would turn into a desert, and that obviously hasn’t happened, at least not so far. If anything much of the Midwest is becoming wetter from climate change and not drier.
Could you post a peer reviewed article that predicted a Midwestern desert by 2019? Would be interested in reading it!
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Old 01-20-2020, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Central New Jersey & British Columbia
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Coast to Coast AM tonight they'll have a climate discussion.
Oh good, the show that also discusses bat people and aliens? Excellent source to get your climate info, should be very illuminating.
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Old 01-21-2020, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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Could you post a peer reviewed article that predicted a Midwestern desert by 2019? Would be interested in reading it!
I never said that the models predicted a Midwestern desert by 2019 lol I just remember reading articles that predict that the Midwest could become a desert later in the 21st century, which based on actual observed trends seems unlikely at this point
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Old 01-22-2020, 03:47 AM
 
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Could you post a peer reviewed article that predicted a Midwestern desert by 2019? Would be interested in reading it!
There are none. However there are models that overcook the Midwest. For example in 2003 model projections said that Chicago summers would resemble St Louis by 2030. Of course that's not happening
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Old 01-22-2020, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Central New Jersey & British Columbia
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There are none. However there are models that overcook the Midwest. For example in 2003 model projections said that Chicago summers would resemble St Louis by 2030. Of course that's not happening
I think specific effects in specific regions will prove a lot harder to model than they think. It’s clear that the Earth’s climate system is absorbing a lot of extra heat. So far it’s going to the poles and the oceans with modest global warming over the mid-latitudes. But polar heating could have runaway effects on decadal scales; so could all the heat absorbed by the oceans in recent decades. Very hard to predict anything other than unpredictability.
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