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Old 01-01-2014, 02:43 AM
 
Location: Saskatoon
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I think the importance of lows is being overstated here. If it was 10 degrees in Saskatoon vs 18 in London that would be one thing, but 11 vs 13 really doesn't make that big of a difference, especially when Saskatoon's highs are a couple degrees higher. Vancouver has average lows of 14 in July and August but it doesn't feel as warm as Saskatoon during the summer despite warmer nights and higher daily mean temperatures.

Saskatoon may be prone to the occasional cool day in the summer but those are the exception and not the rule, and tend to be overstated - this past summer, for example, recorded 10 highs below 20°C, and 12 highs above 30°C. Most days are solidly in the 20s and periods of intense heat are more common than in London - when I was a kid it was quite normal for Saskatoon to hit temperatures in the high 30s most summers. The last few summers have been a bit milder but even then there have been a number of days in the 30s each year, some of those combined with high dew points.

London is more consistently warm for sure, but Saskatoon can get quite hot at times and most days are at least as warm as in London. It certainly isn't a "cool" summer by any stretch of the imagination.

As for which one I prefer, definitely Saskatoon. I'm sure London is quite pleasant in the summer as well, but I'll take those beautiful prairie summers any time over any oceanic summer.

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Old 01-01-2014, 03:27 AM
 
Location: Finland
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I wouldn't say I was very surprised that London has a higher mean temp in summer. But I was surprised how low the low temps are. Even more so, when I reflect to my climate. June this year had exactly Saskatoon's average high temp, and the low here was 12.6C. In 2011 we had an average high of 25.4C in July which is an average in Saskatoon, and that month yielded a low of 16.4C.
And I'm happy it's the case. As it's light out for 18 hours a day, it would be terrible to wake up to 7C temps in the morning.
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Old 01-01-2014, 03:30 AM
 
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I wouldn't say I was very surprised that London has a higher mean temp in summer. But I was surprised how low the low temps are. Even more so, when I reflect to my climate. June this year had exactly Saskatoon's average high temp, and the low here was 12.6C. In 2011 we had an average high of 25.4C in July which is an average in Saskatoon, and that month yielded a low of 16.4C.
And I'm happy it's the case. As it's light out for 18 hours a day, it would be terrible to wake up to 7C temps in the morning.
I must say I'm surprised as well that it's so warm in Finland! 25 C average high in July is more typical of Paris. Are you in a sheltered, inland location?
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Old 01-01-2014, 04:45 AM
 
Location: York
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I must say I'm surprised as well that it's so warm in Finland! 25 C average high in July is more typical of Paris. Are you in a sheltered, inland location?
He was talking about 2011 I believe.
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Old 01-01-2014, 04:48 AM
 
Location: York
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I wouldn't say I was very surprised that London has a higher mean temp in summer. But I was surprised how low the low temps are. Even more so, when I reflect to my climate. June this year had exactly Saskatoon's average high temp, and the low here was 12.6C. In 2011 we had an average high of 25.4C in July which is an average in Saskatoon, and that month yielded a low of 16.4C.
And I'm happy it's the case. As it's light out for 18 hours a day, it would be terrible to wake up to 7C temps in the morning.
Your July 2011 average high was exactly the same as my July this year, but your lows were over 3C higher!
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Old 01-01-2014, 05:30 AM
 
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He was talking about 2011 I believe.
Yeah, I meant average high for July 2011. Even for a one-year occurrence, it's remarkable.
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Old 01-01-2014, 05:38 AM
 
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I wouldn't say I was very surprised that London has a higher mean temp in summer. But I was surprised how low the low temps are. Even more so, when I reflect to my climate. June this year had exactly Saskatoon's average high temp, and the low here was 12.6C. In 2011 we had an average high of 25.4C in July which is an average in Saskatoon, and that month yielded a low of 16.4C.
And I'm happy it's the case. As it's light out for 18 hours a day, it would be terrible to wake up to 7C temps in the morning.
No surprise here.

Saskatoon is located in the middle of the northern prairies, very far from ocean/sea.
Also almost a semi arid environment at over 1,000 ft elevation.

Where you are in Finland is opposite, Baltic Sea, almost sea level, not semi arid prairie.
So naturally lows will be lower for any given temp in Saskatoon, much bigger diurnal range too.
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Old 01-01-2014, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Paris
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Before clicking, I had no idea which city was warmer as the Canadian Prairies are known for their high diurnal range. Also, after Edmonton, Saskatoon is the northernmost "sizeable" city in Canada. Not a recipe for a hot summer mean. So no, I'm not surprised. Had it been Winnipeg or Calgary vs London, the answer would've been easier.

I too think that low temps are less important in summer than in winter since most people are asleep when they occur. In winter, however, it often coincides with one's morning commute. When hiking in the mountains in summer, leving early, I often notice rime on the grass in the valleys. Getting up a couple hours later, it already feels warmish in the sun and one forgets that the place is frost-prone. Those who wake up late actually don't believe it until they see frost themselves.

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Old 01-01-2014, 06:19 AM
 
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When hiking in the mountains in summer, leving early, I often notice rime on the grass in the valleys.
Interesting. Where is this (Jura?) and what elevation are these valleys? Also which are the summer months that you noticed this in?
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Old 01-01-2014, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Finland
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I must say I'm surprised as well that it's so warm in Finland! 25 C average high in July is more typical of Paris. Are you in a sheltered, inland location?
In my current hometown Turku on the SW coast of Finland the average high in July in the 2000's has been 23.1C, and in my old hometown Helsinki on the S coast 23.5C. Yeah, I guess it's quite good for the latitude, which is 60N for both locations. In Helsinki July 2010 was the warmest ever, with a hi/lo of 27.6C/17.2C.

I'm in a sheltered coastal location with high humidity all year round.

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Your July 2011 average high was exactly the same as my July this year, but your lows were over 3C higher!
Keep in mind that I'm on the coast of a brackish sea with a very low inflow, so therefore it warms up quite much opposite to the Western Approaches. Also, the solar radiation is above 1 UV from 8 to 19. (Ok, not much of a difference to Yeovilton, maybe 15-20 minutes in both ends, but compared to Saskatoon it may play a small part. And we are also much sunnier than most parts of interior English locations, which accelerates the rise in temps.

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Saskatoon is located in the middle of the northern prairies, very far from ocean/sea.
Also almost a semi arid environment at over 1,000 ft elevation.

Where you are in Finland is opposite, Baltic Sea, almost sea level, not semi arid prairie.
So naturally lows will be lower for any given temp in Saskatoon, much bigger diurnal range too.
Exactly. The weather station is 4 km from the coast at 8 m asl, summer nights are short and the humidity is high. That creates the difference.

This summer we had 13 nights below 10C, and two of those were 9.9C. Jun-Aug hi/lo was 22.3C/12.7C.
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