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Koppen's definition of humid subtropical climate is for a non-arid climate where the coldest month to have a mean temperature between 0°C - 18°C and the warmest month to have a mean temperature above 22°C. What is the northernmost place that satisfies these criteria? To my knowledge, it's Lyon with a latitude of 45°46′N. Milan is a close second with 45°28′N If you know any place that is more northern than Milan, please share.
Also oceanic climate (Cfb) like Seattle, London, etc doesn't count as the mean temperature of their warmest month is below 22°C.
Well some on here seem to think places like Washington, NYC and even BOSTON have subtropical climates!
In reality, the most northern subtropical climates are found around 32N in the US and in Europe about 40N east of the Mediterranean.
Koppen may suggest otherwise, but cities like Washington that receive high snowfall are just not subtropical at all. Lyon and Milan are slightly more subtropical due to them receiving much less snow than the above cities, but stilldo not seem subtropical to me
*In North America, it's Virginia Beach. Go any northernmost you're 'humid temperate'.
*In Europe, it's Florence Italy. The winters in Milan and Venice are rather cold.
*In Asia, it's Shanghai. Btw, Kagoshima in South Korea is borderline with its long warm summers, but it has snow in the winter every year (when it is a rather low-laying place and at 31S) - so it isn't fully subtropical.
NONE of these aforementioned cities are subtropical. ALL of these cities have winters colder than Melbourne, and I tell you what, Melbourne's winters are as far from subtropical as Pluto is from the sun, and many of these places have summers barely warmer than Melbourne as it is
I see Lyon mentioned a few times. Really? I mean REALLY? FFS
I've got some news for ya'll, Koppen drank vodka like it was going out of fashion, and spirits give a warm sensation, hence his classification of climates that barely make Temperate being called "subtropical". Bloody drug addict.
Brisbane is subtropical. Koppen needs to lay off the piss, as his northern European climates are nothing even close to subtropical, but then again, drinking a gallon of vodka every day is bound to warm anyone one up... and extend their lifespan to double what was the average at the time.
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*In North America, it's Virginia Beach. Go any northernmost you're 'humid temperate'.
*In Europe, it's Florence Italy. The winters in Milan and Venice are rather cold.
*In Asia, it's Shanghai. Btw, Kagoshima in South Korea is borderline with its long warm summers, but it has snow in the winter every year (when it is a rather low-laying place and at 31S) - so it isn't fully subtropical.
ETA: Oops, I missed a couple. Here are the top 7 for furthest north in North America):
1) DWORSHAK FISH HATCH, ID (46.5022 -116.3217)
2) LOWELL THREE RIVERS, ID (46.1442 -115.5964)
3) WALLA WALLA FAA AP, WA (46.1 -118.2833)
4) MILTON FREEWATER, OR (45.9428 -118.4089)
5) PENDLETON DWTN, OR (45.6703 -118.7964)
6) DALLESPORT AP, WA (45.6194 -121.1661)
7) THE DALLES, OR (45.6069 -121.2047)
Well some on here seem to think places like Washington, NYC and even BOSTON have subtropical climates!
*Koppen does, and some just happen to agree, which is fine.
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In reality, the most northern subtropical climates are found around 32N in the US and in Europe about 40N east of the Mediterranean.
I think that's a bit extreme. It would mean that places like Istanbul are just as subtropical as a places like Savannah, which isn't the case.
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Koppen may suggest otherwise, but cities like Washington that receive high snowfall are just not subtropical at all. Lyon and Milan are slightly more subtropical due to them receiving much less snow than the above cities, but stilldo not seem subtropical to me
Even though D.C.'s winters and summers are warmer than Milan's?
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