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Well.....we know pretty well what our old mate Koppen says......Generally Aussies and Americans ( and perhaps others around the world ) have differing views on 'Subtropicality' of a given location. What y'all reckon re these similar altitude and latitude climates in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres ?
I have expressed my own opinions in the past re the Northern Hemisphere towns/cities as listed.....can't reconcile the 5 winter month means and extremes with the term 'subtropical'.
Having said that, the 7 warmer months and rainfall certainly meet the criteria.
Interested in all opinions.....
Subtropical ? Yay or Nay ?
Only Nowra is, using a definition of subtropical where the coldest month is above 10ËšC. I quite like this definition of subtropical, but another good definition is one where the coldest month is above 6ËšC, because that tends to be the limit for evergreen broadleaf forests, or in the case of the Southern US, conifer savannas.
Only Nowra is, using a definition of subtropical where the coldest month is above 10ËšC. I quite like this definition of subtropical, but another good definition is one where the coldest month is above 6ËšC, because that tends to be the limit for evergreen broadleaf forests, or in the case of the Southern US, conifer savannas.
Australians don't really consider Nowra to be subtropical either. Australians have a very narrow definition of subtropical: basically the coastal strip centered on Brisbane from Coffs Harbour in the south to Gladstone in the north.
Wrt the USA, there's just far too much deciduous action going on at those latitudes for it to ever be taken seriously as subtropical.
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Nowra for me - might not have the warmest summers, but likely the only one where one can produce their own eating bananas.... subtropical enough for me.
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Nowra for me - might not have the warmest summers, but likely the only one where one can produce their own eating bananas.... subtropical enough for me.
Bananas are a tropical crop though, using a tropical crop to designate a climate subtropical seems like moving the goalposts
Bananas are a tropical crop though, using a tropical crop to designate a climate subtropical seems like moving the goalposts
How is it moving the goalposts? A subtropical environment in a temperate climate is always more likely to produce bananas, than a climate like Raleigh, which is a true four season temperate climate.
By definition, I’d say a subtropical climate should be typical of subtropical latitudes, including inland weather with big variations between the seasons. If even the North Carolina lowlands are too cold in the winter, where does that put west China, southern Japan or somewhere like North Texas? Most of the landmass in the world at this distance from the equator would be at least this cold. The Southern Hemisphere benefits from a smaller landmass but they’re the exception, not the rule if you ask me.
By definition, I’d say a subtropical climate should be typical of subtropical latitudes, including inland weather with big variations between the seasons. If even the North Carolina lowlands are too cold in the winter, where does that put west China, southern Japan or somewhere like North Texas? Most of the landmass in the world at this distance from the equator would be at least this cold. The Southern Hemisphere benefits from a smaller landmass but they’re the exception, not the rule if you ask me.
How can quite literally half the world be an exception?
The continents are smaller in the southern hemisphere, so they get more marine moderation than the northern hemisphere, not an even playing field
Fine, but that doesn't mean that the Northern Hemisphere is "normal" and the Southern Hemisphere is an "exception".
The Southern Hemisphere Cfa climates are far more naturally subtropical than their Northern Hemisphere counterparts which somehow manage to be the worst of too hot, too cold, too wet, and too dry all at once.
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