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Old 01-08-2019, 12:54 PM
 
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Warm climates are not comparable to tundra climates. Hot climates are. How food rich are the sandlands of Namibia? At least you can fish in the arctic. Neither are that food-rich obviously.
You mean hot and dry. Hot climates that are not dry are rich in food sources.
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Old 01-08-2019, 12:57 PM
 
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Yes. Theoretically you can get hydrated in extreme cold. But you're REALLY stretching it, broski. What makes one get dehydrated faster in hot weather, especially DRY hot weather, is sweating. The more you sweat the thirstier you get. While you can certainly sweat in cold weather, and believe me, when it was a bit colder this month, I was sweating while playing hockey, but its no wear near as parching as the heat. And I been in sub-zero temps and not once did it occur to me "man, I sure am thirsty." However, I've been in dry heat and even comfortable dry heat has dehydrated me.
Not surprising, because being cold significantly reduces the sensation of thirst.

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When British explorer Henry Worsley died crossing Antarctica last month, the event made front page news. Less noted was one of the causes of his death: dehydration.
https://www.summitmedicalgroup.com/n...-cold-weather/
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Old 01-08-2019, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Bidford-on-Avon, England
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You thought you were dying without a/c in 27C?
It was 32C some days and inside was frequently above 30C. Unbearable. Hopefully this July will average a high below 25C.
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Old 01-08-2019, 01:08 PM
 
Location: St. Louis Park, MN
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You mean hot and dry. Hot climates that are not dry are rich in food sources.



Most of those climates I would consider either "warm" such as in the tropics, or "warm temperate" such as the US Southeast. No hot. Again... not comparable to an extremely cold ARCTIC climate. Its not fair to compare somewhere like Siberia to Texas. Makes more sense to compare Siberia to Algeria.
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Old 01-08-2019, 01:15 PM
 
Location: St. Louis Park, MN
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Not surprising, because being cold significantly reduces the sensation of thirst.

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https://www.performancehealthcenter....ses-in-winter/

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https://www.summitmedicalgroup.com/n...-cold-weather/



Those are needle in the haystack examples. First of all, extreme cold is more likely to have easily accessible water. If you're THAT thirsty you can drink snow. It may lower your body temperature but if you happen to be already bundled up and warm then it shouldn't be a problem. In a scorched desert, finding water is extremely difficult. Just because you CAN be dehydrated in the cold, doesn't make it a plausible threat. There's far bigger dangers in the cold that come before dehydration, such as frost bite. Dehydration is much more likely in the heat. Ask any southerner who played sports outside as a child or teen. (E.G. My partner who played football, basketball, baseball and track in Texas in middle and high school) You really grasping at straws if you think dehydration is a serious threat in the cold.



Lets not even consider wilderness survival. Just basic outdoor play. There's more health risks in the heat. All it takes to minimise health risks in winter is bundling up. In summer, you also have to worry about higher sunburn risk.
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Old 01-08-2019, 01:41 PM
 
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Warm climates are not comparable to tundra climates. Hot climates are. How food rich are the sandlands of Namibia? At least you can fish in the arctic. Neither are that food-rich obviously.
But that's entirely due to the Namib desert's aridity and nothing to do with its heat. Where there is some water eg below ground in river valleys, trees and shrubs grow and even some large animals like giraffes and elephants live. And of course the Namibian coast is very rich in mussels, fish, seals etc.

Even extremely hot climates can be very productive with some water from rain or irrigation. See this plantation of oilpalms growing outside Valledupar, Colombia, where the average temperature is practically 30C.
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Old 01-08-2019, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Anglers Reach, NSW (Australia)
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Heating, by leagues!

"You can die at 27° C without shade" ~Randomguy1234, 2019

^And this splendid masterpiece is why you air-conditioning voting blighters look absurd

Our ancestors yielded fire and provisions as the foremost source(s) of survival—bear that in mind.
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Old 01-08-2019, 02:32 PM
 
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This is beyond pathetic.
1 million sq km Egypt is almost three times as populous as 13 million sq km Siberia. Iraq has more population than Siberia too. Tiny Djibouti has about the same population as the huge Siberian Sakha Republic. Hot, barren, desertic inland province of Timbuktu, Mali, is around five times as populated as Yukon, Northwest territories and Nunavut combined.

Namibia by the way is a terrible example as it's not even a hot country. The coast is affected by the cold Benguela current and inland is mostly at a plateau. The warmest month in the capital averages about 23/24°C. In coastal areas it's often below 20°C.
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Old 01-08-2019, 05:06 PM
 
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Those are needle in the haystack examples. First of all, extreme cold is more likely to have easily accessible water. If you're THAT thirsty you can drink snow. It may lower your body temperature but if you happen to be already bundled up and warm then it shouldn't be a problem. In a scorched desert, finding water is extremely difficult. Just because you CAN be dehydrated in the cold, doesn't make it a plausible threat. There's far bigger dangers in the cold that come before dehydration, such as frost bite. Dehydration is much more likely in the heat. Ask any southerner who played sports outside as a child or teen. (E.G. My partner who played football, basketball, baseball and track in Texas in middle and high school) You really grasping at straws if you think dehydration is a serious threat in the cold.



Lets not even consider wilderness survival. Just basic outdoor play. There's more health risks in the heat. All it takes to minimise health risks in winter is bundling up. In summer, you also have to worry about higher sunburn risk.
And yet, there are no native populations on Antarctica, but there are native populations encroaching the Sahara. It's certainly not because Antarctica was too far away for the Polynesians.
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Old 01-09-2019, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Warm climates are not comparable to tundra climates. Hot climates are. How food rich are the sandlands of Namibia? At least you can fish in the arctic. Neither are that food-rich obviously.
You can fish in Namibia as well, at least along the coastal sections. That's where the natives had their villages.
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