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If someone feels that they are worth $35 or $50 or $100 an hour then why not try making that on your own. I mean you are worth it right? You should be able to get that money from anyone because you are worth it.
If you are working at a job that can be done more cheaply by someone else or by a machine then sadly you are replaceable and need to find something that is less replaceable. That is just how things move in this nation.
As someone who has had a significant amount of undergrad and graduate level management courses, not to mention all of the corporate sponsored leadership programs I have attended-- I have never in my life heard of those definitions.
I heard it both in college and in my Officer Basic Courses. I'm unable to give you the exact source. I'm not someone a straight civilian should get into a pissing contest with about leadership.
I lead a fire team in Afghanistan with the 75th Ranger Regiment. I am a graduate of probably one of the most grueling leadership courses anyone can go through, Ranger School. I was commissioned through ROTC and joined an alumni with 235 years of proven leadership experience. I have led logistic convoys from Kuwait deep into Iraq as platoon leader. I have also graduated Combined Logistics Captains Career Course (QM).
Now what were you saying about leadership programs?
I heard it both in college and in my Officer Basic Courses. I'm unable to give you the exact source. I'm not someone a straight civilian should get into a pissing contest with about leadership.
I lead a fire team in Afghanistan with the 75th Ranger Regiment. I am a graduate of probably one of the most grueling leadership courses anyone can go through, Ranger School. I was commissioned through ROTC and joined an alumni with 235 years of proven leadership experience. I have led logistic convoys from Kuwait deep into Iraq as platoon leader. I have also graduated Combined Logistics Captains Career Course (QM).
Now what were you saying about leadership programs?
Following orders from command blindly and creative leadership are two very different things.
Following orders from command blindly and creative leadership are two very different things.
This is an argument people who have served have had over and over again with people who have never served nor even tried to understand those of us who have served.
No wait, you're right. I've never had a commander give me very loose intent, a limited mission statement, and then expect me to figure the rest out
Wrong answer. It's very much a living wage to those who live a modest life. Around here you can rent a 3BR house for $1000 a month. With two housemates it works to about $500 a month including utilities. How can someone making $20K a year not be able to afford $500 a month rent? They would still be able to afford a modest pre-owned late model car and have beer money for Friday night.
Your logic is flawed. There are plenty of people making enough to afford products. They are SKILLED workers with experience and/or education to back up their wages. They do more then push a button or pack cartons. Are you trying to tell me that unskilled workers should make $40 an hour? be prepared to pay $16 for that Big Mac. Look at what happened to teh USSR when they tried a pure socialist economy where doctors made the same as toilet cleaners. It led to a catastrophic failure.
You know, what's ironic in a way, and I imagine you know all about this from personal experience - the people who are not skillful, smart, etc. enough to be worth a big wage, tend to be not skillful, smart, etc. enough to spend what they do get efficiently and effectively. So what is a living wage anyway? DW and I probably spend less per month than the average Joe Lunchbucket type on food, certainly on utilities (we heat with firewood that can be had for the trouble of hauling it in the summer) and our house payment is less than rent on a cheap apartment around here, while the house is easily worth 3X what I paid for it 20 years ago.
Dr. Thomas Sowell has written several excellent books about how socialism actually works and how it backfires. Anyone who is not familiar with him should give him a try, Google the name, he has a syndicated column. One thing I like about his writing is how cleanly and clearly he lays his argument out, he's not at all hard to follow, makes you think "why didn't I think of that?".
Just one way that people from the other side of the bell curve waste money is on late-model but essentially crap cars. Which they pay too much for, finance at disadvantageous rates, don't maintain well, and take a well-deserved beating on when they trade them in, which they do too often.
Awhile back I had business at a subsidized health clinic, and noted that when I parked my old Scirocco there it was BY FAR the oldest and no doubt cheapest book value car in the lot. Never mind that it probably runs better than most of these hoopties...
It seems to me the people whining for a "living wage" are in the immortal words of Captain Bleigh "contemptuous of effort".
I heard it both in college and in my Officer Basic Courses. I'm unable to give you the exact source. I'm not someone a straight civilian should get into a pissing contest with about leadership.
I lead a fire team in Afghanistan with the 75th Ranger Regiment. I am a graduate of probably one of the most grueling leadership courses anyone can go through, Ranger School. I was commissioned through ROTC and joined an alumni with 235 years of proven leadership experience. I have led logistic convoys from Kuwait deep into Iraq as platoon leader. I have also graduated Combined Logistics Captains Career Course (QM).
Now what were you saying about leadership programs?
I was going to say something pretty sarcastic but will refrain-- it is not worth it.
I had dinner tonight with my cousin and her husband (who is an active Green Beret), he explained that your arrogance and self-aggrandizing is probably attributed to your youth more than anything else.
You know, what's ironic in a way, and I imagine you know all about this from personal experience - the people who are not skillful, smart, etc. enough to be worth a big wage, tend to be not skillful, smart, etc. enough to spend what they do get efficiently and effectively. So what is a living wage anyway? DW and I probably spend less per month than the average Joe Lunchbucket type on food, certainly on utilities (we heat with firewood that can be had for the trouble of hauling it in the summer) and our house payment is less than rent on a cheap apartment around here, while the house is easily worth 3X what I paid for it 20 years ago.
Dr. Thomas Sowell has written several excellent books about how socialism actually works and how it backfires. Anyone who is not familiar with him should give him a try, Google the name, he has a syndicated column. One thing I like about his writing is how cleanly and clearly he lays his argument out, he's not at all hard to follow, makes you think "why didn't I think of that?".
Just one way that people from the other side of the bell curve waste money is on late-model but essentially crap cars. Which they pay too much for, finance at disadvantageous rates, don't maintain well, and take a well-deserved beating on when they trade them in, which they do too often.
Awhile back I had business at a subsidized health clinic, and noted that when I parked my old Scirocco there it was BY FAR the oldest and no doubt cheapest book value car in the lot. Never mind that it probably runs better than most of these hoopties...
It seems to me the people whining for a "living wage" are in the immortal words of Captain Bleigh "contemptuous of effort".
M3-- I was able to meet the head of my company a couple years ago. He is beyond rich-- I noticed that the pants, shoes, and well all of his clothing was clothing that was well worn (edges very slightly frayed on his leg bottoms). I knew someone who was one of his assistants who said that instead of carrying a fancy briefcase or bag, he just carries a Jansport backpack-- that she had actually given him one Christmas since the previous one that he used was too worn out.
I knew another well off family (not on say the Forbes list)-- I grew up with their kids, and you would never know that they were as wealthy as they were. They were very frugal even though they had millions to spend.
That kind of careful, frugality and desire to save more money and invest it versus caving into immediate gratification is what helped their family from the great Depression onward build its wealth generation after generation.
M3-- I was able to meet the head of my company a couple years ago. He is beyond rich-- I noticed that the pants, shoes, and well all of his clothing was clothing that was well worn (edges very slightly frayed on his leg bottoms). I knew someone who was one of his assistants who said that instead of carrying a fancy briefcase or bag, he just carries a Jansport backpack-- that she had actually given him one Christmas since the previous one that he used was too worn out.
I knew another well off family (not on say the Forbes list)-- I grew up with their kids, and you would never know that they were as wealthy as they were. They were very frugal even though they had millions to spend.
That kind of careful, frugality and desire to save more money and invest it versus caving into immediate gratification is what helped their family from the great Depression onward build its wealth generation after generation.
Oh please........save the tired old cliche of horse crap will ya! NOBODY in America has made their own wealth. NO ONE! Business people and CEOs get rich because middle class Americans buy crap. Rich frugal people are hilarious. If the middle class saved all their money the rich wouldn't make any.
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