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Old 01-23-2022, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Yakima yes, an apartment!
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Sounds crazy but true

Thedacare has sued 7 workers for quitting and going to work for Ascension. they're a group of nurses, doctors skilled in blood flow issues.

Ascension offered more, so in 6 weeks, several submitted quit slips. Fearing for their profit (What else) Thedacare got an injunction against them to stop them from working at the new employer.

However, they're not going to work for Thedacare either.


https://www.wearegreenbay.com/news/l...for-ascension/

https://www.wbay.com/2022/01/20/thed...orker-dispute/
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Old 01-23-2022, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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I was all ready to be outraged but honestly ThedaCare isn't trying to keep its employees from leaving outright, it's just trying to make sure it doesn't lose an entire team at once and can continue to keep that department functional. Of course you could argue that ThedaCare could have actually offered to match or exceed the offers that Ascension has been giving to those employees that began searching elsewhere instead of seeking an injunction, but I think the first line of their statement really says it best:


We understand and respect that people have choices in the current highly competitive job market. The decision by Ascension Wisconsin to hire away such a significant portion of ThedaCare’s interventional radiology specialty support team all at once, and at the height of a pandemic surge, will disrupt access to critical care for the people in our region. While we have tried to work with Ascension Wisconsin for additional time to execute a plan for staffing coverage that will provide the longterm continuation of services that support trauma, stroke and other essential areas of care, Ascension Wisconsin was unwilling to collaborate with us. We are essentially asking the Court to grant the injunction to maintain the status quo until ThedaCare can hire replacement staff for this vital department in order to protect access to the critical care services supported by the team, which are considered community assets.”
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Old 01-23-2022, 07:58 PM
 
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The moment a judge can say when you can quit your job is the moment a judge has to much power.
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Old 01-23-2022, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Yakima yes, an apartment!
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I was all ready to be outraged but honestly ThedaCare isn't trying to keep its employees from leaving outright, it's just trying to make sure it doesn't lose an entire team at once and can continue to keep that department functional. Of course you could argue that ThedaCare could have actually offered to match or exceed the offers that Ascension has been giving to those employees that began searching elsewhere instead of seeking an injunction, but I think the first line of their statement really says it best:]

When 7 of 11 are leaving, it says a lot that the team is gone. Further, they're not going to go to go back to Thedacare, so this is simply a **** poor attempt to get a cheap shot at them for leaving for a better offer

In addition, would you like to be forced to not work for a new employers by a previous employer just because they can't get people to work for way less?

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Old 01-23-2022, 09:02 PM
 
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How loud does Thedacare broadcast that they're a toxic employer by suing employees who quit? VERY loud.
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Old 01-23-2022, 09:59 PM
 
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I was all ready to be outraged but honestly ThedaCare isn't trying to keep its employees from leaving outright, it's just trying to make sure it doesn't lose an entire team at once and can continue to keep that department functional. Of course you could argue that ThedaCare could have actually offered to match or exceed the offers that Ascension has been giving to those employees that began searching elsewhere instead of seeking an injunction, but I think the first line of their statement really says it best:


We understand and respect that people have choices in the current highly competitive job market. The decision by Ascension Wisconsin to hire away such a significant portion of ThedaCare’s interventional radiology specialty support team all at once, and at the height of a pandemic surge, will disrupt access to critical care for the people in our region. While we have tried to work with Ascension Wisconsin for additional time to execute a plan for staffing coverage that will provide the longterm continuation of services that support trauma, stroke and other essential areas of care, Ascension Wisconsin was unwilling to collaborate with us. We are essentially asking the Court to grant the injunction to maintain the status quo until ThedaCare can hire replacement staff for this vital department in order to protect access to the critical care services supported by the team, which are considered community assets.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE5mV5V-pHs

Except the judge can't order them to work for Theda either. So this action does nothing to keep its department functioning. It's just managerial spite and a veiled threat to its other employee's not to quit or they'll get sued too. It could have made a better offer.
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Old 01-24-2022, 09:01 AM
 
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Except the judge can't order them to work for Theda either. So this action does nothing to keep its department functioning. It's just managerial spite and a veiled threat to its other employee's not to quit or they'll get sued too. It could have made a better offer.
Theda would rather pay huge amounts of money for attorneys fees, court fees, and witness fees RATHER than give a better offer.

That says VOLUMES about how toxic this company is.

Theda is run by sociopaths.
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Old 01-24-2022, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Log "cabin" west of Bangor
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The moment a judge can say when you can quit your job is the moment a judge has to much power.

Yup.


And Theda was given the opportunity to make a competitive offer to retain those employees, back in December. Theda refused to increase their wages, apparently preferring to spend the money on legal actions instead of employee compensation. That doesn't sound like a good place to work.


To put the cherry on top of this excrement cake, the Theda CEO sent a memo to all of the other employees describing what they were doing. Operation FootBullet in progress. Nothing like telling all of your employees "We don't want to pay you competitive wages and we will sue to prevent you from going somewhere else." What a maroon.
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Old 01-24-2022, 11:18 AM
 
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Perhaps the employees signed non-complete agreements and these are being enforced.
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Old 01-24-2022, 11:22 AM
 
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Perhaps the employees signed non-complete agreements and these are being enforced.
There are non-compete lawyers who can rip those to shreds in court.

I check the non-compete agreements and see how restrictive they are.

A few times, I would see something broad like "consultant shall not obtain employment at any of our clients" - then I demand a list of clients to be listed in the contract or ask that non-compete struck out. Never had a problem pushing that.

I don't want to take a job and find out I can't work elsewhere.
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