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You misunderstood my post. Gates and Zuckerberg are not hiring low quality H1Bs that write low quality code. They hire competent H1Bs. That's also why they pay H1Bs very well and not the typical $40/hr or whatever an H1B in IT gets. The competent H1Bs (just like the competent American computer scientists) get absorbed by the tech industry... leaving the lesser quality individuals for the other industries.
$40/hr is not well? I'd be happy as a clam if I made that much.
I once worked for an small Indian-owned IT company. I have no major complaints, other than their checks bounced a couple of times.
I see the issue as one of credentialism on the one hand, and corporatism on the other. Many companies only barely understand what IT actually does, and struggle to even enunciate coherent position requirements. So on paper, that H1B looks as good as, or superior to, most American candidates. The reality is very possibly quite different. I have worked with very competent, high level immigrants from India and China, and also with incompetent, terrible ones.
I also think that high fixed costs of certain categories of employees, particularly the aging, plays into this, in addition to the uncertainty caused by Obamacare, add to caution in hiring in general. If a company can offload these costs and risks in contracting, why would it not do so? Also worth mentioning is the general decline in wages is in part attributable to the mass influx of women into the workforce over the past 40+ years. While beneficial in many ways, it should be clear that one of its costs is wage depression.
Instead of writing my representative or wasting time on the political process, I will do my small part by advocating the training up of entry-level employees at my organization. This does not solve all needs, but does create a talent pipeline.
Actually a lot of Indian firms are desperately looking to hire Americans who are willing to lead or help set standards for these outsourcing firms. They would usually go with the low-ball rate approach then when they run out of time or couldn't find someone they would slowly up the rate and interview to see what is the sweet spot they can get for an American who can lead and represent them. Once they hire an American, they would use them to setup shop and scope the projects then pull them off and replace with cheaper Indians to carry on and bill. Their goal is to use Americans as trainers so they can sponge off all of our etiquette, techniques, and replace with their cheaper hires.
Well I just had a falling out with the Indian IT staffing company I mentioned earlier and now I'm out of a job. Don't think I'll be getting any references from these guys any time soon. I paranoid part of me thinks they've known I've posted here...
I think they may have been aware of my presence on these forums and my harsh criticisms of their hiring and b2b practices. A part of me is relieved to be out of that toxic environment but now the search for a new job begins...
Gates and Zuckerberg do NOT need to hire H1-Bs. Period. They can easily find competent American citizens to take their jobs.
They may seem competent on paper... but once you get to the interview process, it becomes very evident. This is why silicon valley hires the majority of American hires from only a small number of schools. We only have a small number of schools in the U.S. that product competent computer scientists. (We're not talking about IT, here. Since IT is an easier discipline, we are able to produce a fair amount of IT workers.)
Just because two of the most well known (and profitable) companies want more H1-B's doesn't mean that we should open the flood gates.
Everyone wants to work at Microsoft and Facebook. They can afford to be picky and choose the "best of the best" and they do pay h1-B's very well.
Other companies have been caught with their pants down though. That is the problem.
It's not just two companies. The entire tech industry is in need of competent computer scientists.
I agree with you 100% that we shouldn't be importing them (in the long term). Instead, as a nation, we should start producing adequately skilled people in larger numbers. However, it hasn't been a priority for us, unfortunately. We seem to feel perfectly fine producing low quality graduates in large numbers.
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