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Old 09-06-2014, 12:09 PM
 
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Please show me some evidence of these 6 figure salaries teachers supposedly make.
We have plenty of teachers in my town and surrounding towns that make six figures. The median pay or teachers in our district is $75,000. Take a look at NJ teacher salaries.
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Old 09-06-2014, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Montana
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I have been travelling for an audit for the past few weeks and the company I'm working at is unionized. There is a group of seven people, long term employees, who "work" near where I am sitting. One of them is a "supervisor." These bums spend a good 7 hours of the workday literally doing nothing but standing around talking to each other, just shooting the s***. They do this every single day. It is beyond pathetic. Quite frankly, I find it disgusting that the epitome of dead wood is employed while millions of capable, hard working people are out of a job.
Actually, even as a Liberal, I would agree with you. They are there to work, not sit around and socialize while you do more and get paid the same amount.
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Old 09-06-2014, 12:13 PM
 
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Unfortunately, we are ironically going to be stuck with government unions for a very long time. Only government can afford to pay for that level of corruption and inefficiency by bleeding the taxpayer dry until society completely falls apart.
Maybe not that much longer, as more municipalities continue to go bankrupt (as tax revenues continue to decline from companies offshoring their capital and more people losing their high-paying jobs).

Detroit (which has more or less gutted its labor unions) is only the canary in the coal mine.
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Old 09-06-2014, 12:36 PM
 
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Why don't you read an article about why the Atlantic city casinos are closing. Has zero to do with unions. Think competition from other casinos being opened in other cities that didn't exist until recently.
Believe the article I posted did mention that. If you had read what I said, I wondered if the higher benefits contributed the to closing of the casinos in question. Not that those were the reason.

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Your reading more into it than what it was.

The union did have staff members assisting those impacted by the closing. However the volume of those needing assistance in such a short period was way above the level the union could provide by just staff. So other union members volunteered their own time to help these displaced workers.

The story failed to mention an important aspect of this assistance that some other news outlets did report. The assistance being provided to these workers by the union staffers and volunteers was based on them being unemployed regardless if they were union members, regardless if they were even in a position covered by a union contract, and regardless if they were members of another union.

They were assisted because they were suddenly unemployed in a mass casualty scenario. What we had was the equivalent of the Red Cross responding to a disaster.

It’s a bit immature to have tried to make it something it was not.
So, the union did have staff members there.. To help people sign up for public assistance?

What, exactly, is the union providing to their laid off members? Now.. I'm not specifically asking about the Casino workers union.. Any union.. You get laid off.. What assistance do you get that you wouldn't get if you weren't a member of the union? Seems that's when you'd really need them the most.

But.. One thing confusing about that whole situation.. I thought it was a Federal thing that if you had more than X employees and were planning to lay off more than X percent of them.. You had to give a 90 day notice or something? Does that not apply when the business closes? I mean, obviously, they close the doors.. But these places have other locations, seems the feds would go after them for a penalty or something..

Unions can be good, they can be very bad. Look at Boeing.. Moved production to SC because the union wanted too much. Look at the writers union a few years back.. How'd that work out for their members?
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Old 09-06-2014, 12:46 PM
 
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Yes, and all southerners are uneducated rednecks, and all Denverites are religious sportsnuts and all Californians are liberal healthnuts and...well the list goes on and on...
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Old 09-06-2014, 03:54 PM
 
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I've worked both and each has it's advantages...

The Union Tool and Die shop had a workforce of very skilled craftsman... no one was sitting around.

The non Union shops really had little in the way of employee benefits... what little there was has all but disappeared.

Not all areas of Unionization is fading... several of the Health Care Unions are stronger than ever...
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Old 09-06-2014, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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I grew up in a piece work union drywall company. Please proceed to tell me I'm lazy, so I can laugh in your face. I made 50k piece working drywall in 1984, and really didn't know what it meant to be union at that time.
This thread screams of the 1% battle against working class Americans, and anybody who buys into this bs that works for a paycheck is a complete fool. Less wages means less consumer spending. This ideal is just an excuse for the wealth redistribution where the 1% steals from the working class. What a foolish ideal.
Right to starve states suck. Why should another benefit from my dues money for free? What a stupid concept.
We who have grown up during the Cold War are all too familiar with how thoroughly we have been indoctrinated against Socialism. The media whips out the word whenever a new idea might put the business community at a disadvantage. What we are not familiar with is the prior enemy, Fascism and its characteristics. Letting drug companies write laws that control the FDA and letting insurance companies write insurance law is too cozy a relationship between the gov't and the international corporations. That is a characteristic of Fascism. Anti unionism in the media and legislation prohibiting collective bargaining are characteristic of Fascism.

You know how to answer a person the next time they attack unionism.
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Old 09-06-2014, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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It's true. Unionized workers are truly lazy and useless.
That's extremely offensive, not to mention quite ignorant. I'm a nurse in a hospital and all our workers are unionized. We work our a$$es off. For you to call us all lazy and useless is extremely small-mindind.
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Old 09-06-2014, 09:58 PM
 
Location: La Mesa Aka The Table
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I don't get it
Unions are supposedly killing this Country, yet Union Membership is down across the board.
I'm in a union and thank God that I am every day!
I've came to the conclusion that most of the Anti Union people On City-Data or either huge Stock holders, or Hate their lives and Jobs because they are not in a union.
Keep up the hate, and I will keep bringing home a good paycheck and pumping money back into this economy.
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Old 09-06-2014, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Miami Metro
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You know, in NY where most workers were in unions, they were (at least felt) more productive, then the non in FL. IT solely a case by case thing.
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