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Old 05-16-2015, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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A company short on skilled workers creates its own college-degree program | American RadioWorks |

It's refreshing to see a company willing to step forward and tackle their own problems... Instead of demanding tax payer subsidies or whining that Americans don't want to work while sending jobs elsewhere. Too bad Americans don't celebrate that type of culture. Always someone else's problem to fix, am I right?

Internal training programs fell out of vogue in America when short term corporate profits became the prime focus. Now, many of those firms are struggling to find the kinds of workers required to keep their operations churning. Some American firms are trying to train in house again, but that's not something that can be turned on like a light switch for many, many reasons.

$12/hr is pretty crappy though. No wonder they can't find competent workers. Giving people some sort of diploma or certificate is not going to change that, no matter what some Harvard business dolt might believe though. If companies expect to find trainable candidates, they better up the ante. Time is not on their side, so they better get it right.
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Old 05-16-2015, 03:10 PM
 
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$!2 is simply while a student, and in a low COL, that is around $15-18/hour in a larger urban region.

Plus, the value of the free education they are being given should be considered by them as salary on top of current pay.
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Old 05-16-2015, 03:33 PM
 
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$!2 is simply while a student, and in a low COL, that is around $15-18/hour in a larger urban region.

Plus, the value of the free education they are being given should be considered by them as salary on top of current pay.
They are providing training so a worker can perform the corporation's many tasks. It's not like this is a form of charity. If Toyota wants to build vehicles in the United States, they require competent and capable workers. Since Americans were told that we were no longer going to be a manufacturing nation, people chose other occupations, as would be expected.

So now, corporations who wish to manufacture here have yet another problem to contend with... Lack of qualified workers. This is not the fault of American workers. This is the fault of poorly thought out trade policy, lack of investment/malinvestment, horrible education system and poor business practices. If anything, wages need to rise in order to fix the problem, not fall.
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Old 05-16-2015, 03:34 PM
 
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A company short on skilled workers creates its own college-degree program | American RadioWorks |

It's refreshing to see a company willing to step forward and tackle their own problems... Instead of demanding tax payer subsidies or whining that Americans don't want to work while sending jobs elsewhere. Too bad Americans don't celebrate that type of culture. Always someone else's problem to fix, am I right?

Internal training programs fell out of vogue in America when short term corporate profits became the prime focus. Now, many of those firms are struggling to find the kinds of workers required to keep their operations churning. Some American firms are trying to train in house again, but that's not something that can be turned on like a light switch for many, many reasons.

$12/hr is pretty crappy though. No wonder they can't find competent workers. Giving people some sort of diploma or certificate is not going to change that, no matter what some Harvard business dolt might believe though. If companies expect to find trainable candidates, they better up the ante. Time is not on their side, so they better get it right.


Thats their main problems these days. DELUSION (combined with Greed) !! They think a bunch of college graduates (even IVY league grads) are going to be lining up at the door for wages one person (Forget supporting a family) can barely live on.

You want to pay $12/hour you better just be content with low skilled, low educated workers. You're not getting much more than that. And if you do get lucky to nab some college graduates, don't expect them to go above and beyond for that crap wage
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Old 05-16-2015, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Thats their main problems these days. DELUSION (combined with Greed) !! They think a bunch of college graduates (even IVY league grads) are going to be lining up at the door for wages one person (Forget supporting a family) can barely live on.
They are not looking for college grads. They are looking to give people a certification or degree of some kind. It's most likely a ploy to get motivated $12/hr machine tenders. Still, it's better than whining to congress about a labor shortage created by corporations themselves. There used to be many manufacturing workers doing these jobs 10 years ago.

Today, those jobs are even more productive due to improved automated design and implementation, at least at the high end of the food chain. Workers should be paid more.
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Old 05-16-2015, 03:41 PM
 
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They are not looking for college grads. They are looking to give people a certification or degree of some kind. It's most likely a ploy to get $12/hr machine tenders. Still, it's better than whining to congress about a labor shortage created by corporations themselves. There used to be many manufacturing workers doing these jobs 10 years ago.

Today, those jobs are even more productive due to improved automated design and implementation, at least at the high end of the food chain. Workers should be paid more.

They should be considering many companies are making record breaking profits these days.. Unfortunately, they won't be paid more as long as its an employer's market and you have greedy sociopaths who look down on their workforce as parasitic creatures they can starve out and not assets they should nuture and take care of.

So until there is major changes, or there is a real worker's revolt, everyone should be prepared to be paid bottom dollar and maybe a 2 percent raise a year if they are lucky
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Old 05-16-2015, 03:44 PM
 
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Lack of qualifications is the fault of he/she who lacks qualifications.

In this country, opportunities to improve ones education are immense.
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Old 05-16-2015, 03:45 PM
 
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There are MILLIONS of qualified candidates coming out of college with plenty of intern/on the job experience and tons of skills (despite what the mainstream corporate controlled media will have you believe) today but as soon as they enter a job market they see these greedy companies offering them INSULTING wages.

Where does the money go from these record breaking profits? Obviously to the top. It all filters there. And more is filtering there than before. THus why you see the income disparity in american getting worse and worse.
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Old 05-16-2015, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Lack of qualifications is the fault of he/she who lacks qualifications.

In this country, opportunities to improve ones education are immense.
How can a worker be qualified for a job they never even had, or were told wouldn't exist? Every job I have had requires at least some OTJT, at least so the worker is acclimated with the work environment and processes utilized. With the amount of investment required in each worker, you would think the companies would pay them more, to prevent them from leaving.
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Old 05-16-2015, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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There are MILLIONS of qualified candidates coming out of college with plenty of intern/on the job experience and tons of skills (despite what the mainstream corporate controlled media will have you believe) today but as soon as they enter a job market they see these greedy companies offering them INSULTING wages.

Where does the money go from these record breaking profits? Obviously to the top. It all filters there. And more is filtering there than before. THus why you see the income disparity in american getting worse and worse.

Please provide a link to verify your point that there are millions of qualified candidates graduating who have had internships and job experience with tons of skills, but that they are being offered insulting wages.

The graduates I know of, and this ranks into the hundreds with two Millennials of my own, were quite happy with the jobs they got and the salaries offered in their first full time jobs. The exceptions were those who got a degree in ancient primitive basket weaving or something else challenging, and those who live in rural areas nowhere near major centers.
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