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Old 12-04-2015, 05:56 AM
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Location: Florida
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"Competent people" don't work for shameful wages!
Where did you get that idea? In an employer's market, competence is no shield against the power imbalance.
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Old 12-04-2015, 06:39 AM
 
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Where did you get that idea? In an employer's market, competence is no shield against the power imbalance.
In that case, I'll have to question their "competency" of asking for what's theirs.
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Old 12-04-2015, 06:40 AM
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Location: Florida
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I respect the fact that you feel compelled to do so. My point was that not everyone has the advantages and privilege that your comments make it seem like you enjoy. Your implicit assumption that they do leads you into logical fallacies, such as affirming the consequent. (This is what such a fallacy looks like: "Incompetent people get paid shameful wages. There are people who get paid shameful wages. Therefore, they must be incompetent.")
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Old 12-04-2015, 07:38 AM
 
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In that case, I'll have to question their "competency" of asking for what's theirs.

Its called feeding a family and keeping insurance current. Of course if the economy picks up they will be looking at other opportunities.
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Old 12-04-2015, 07:45 AM
 
Location: TN/NC
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Not been my experience. Companies are demanding experience, because experienced workers are less likely to hurt themselves and less likely to make other costly mistakes. I don't even see how someone can do my job without at least a few years of dedicated training and experience, and most companies are asking for 5-10 years experience for my job.
Exactly my experience and completely opposite of what the OP stated. If anything, companies inflate experience requirements beyond what is probably needed to be a productive employee.
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Old 12-04-2015, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Southeast U.S
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Exactly my experience and completely opposite of what the OP stated. If anything, companies inflate experience requirements beyond what is probably needed to be a productive employee.
Agreed. Most job postings say they need 3-5 years of relevant experience but actually only want or need a year of experience. That is their way of reducing the number of applicants. There are two types of companies out there. The company that wants several years of experience in that particular job so they don't have to provide any training at all and the new hire can immediately hit the ground running.

The other company is the one looking for fresh 22 year old college grads that are eager or have the ability to learn, has a good attitude, has good work ethics, and the right personality fit. This company will train their person from scratch and mold them into the type of employee they want them to be and make sure they don't have any bad habits. These companies like young inexperienced workers because they can pay them significantly less than an experienced worker.

Overall there tends to be more companies out there wanting turn key employees who already have a few years of experience under their belt over training the inexperienced worker. Reason why some fresh college graduates with no work experience/internships have a tough time finding a full time position in their field of study that pays decent money.
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Old 12-04-2015, 12:26 PM
 
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Its called feeding a family and keeping insurance current. Of course if the economy picks up they will be looking at other opportunities.
How long of an if is that? The economy HAS picked up outside of current oil industry...

Just going to wait until someone looks for you, or take a more active role in searching?

People can only blame a bad economy for so long... and even during bad times, people can still go okay if they try at it. Sure they won't be happy with job, but it isn't like there are no jobs... they just want a "happy" job? So they turn down what they get and just prolong their perception of a bad economy
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Old 12-04-2015, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Eureka CA
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No, I haven't noticed that. But I have noticed that unemployed people will come up with ridiculous excuses for their lack of success.
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Old 12-04-2015, 01:38 PM
 
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You simply have to be better than the other candidates. I don't complain anymore because I have the ability to change my future.

I have confidence in myself to pull it off, despite my failures.

Sometimes you have to reach inside and think.'What can I do better'?
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Old 12-04-2015, 02:45 PM
 
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For companies with insecure and unconfident mgmt. , their best method of survival is to hire those perceived as less of a threat than going the route of hiring exceptional talent. At the end of the day, it is all about survival in the workplace. If , say your underlings outshine you, then you run the risk of likely being replaced.
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