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I don't like the way that's worded, especially the "...I just wanted to put it out there that I think I could help the team with...." Forward, bold, assuming. There are umpteen other ways of phrasing a wish for growth in your work without composing it in your head like that.
How else would you have worded that exactly?
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That was your cue to smile sincerely and say, "I think it's great. I'm enjoying the work. Thank you!." Talk about what you're working on, and how you're learning new things. And then ask, "What are your feelings about my performance so far?"
Sure. Because honesty doesn't pay the bills.
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So it's not so unchallenging, right off?
Learning internal jargon and process does not equate to interesting or challenging.
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Huh?
You really didn't understand what I was saying there?
I'm not going to write it for you. As a boss, how would you like it expressed to you? You think.
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Sure. Because honesty doesn't pay the bills.
But a job you're grateful for having because it provides income does.
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Learning internal jargon and process does not equate to interesting or challenging.
You have to be able to communicate with them and their business rules.
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You really didn't understand what I was saying there?
To "Not a big deal, I'll focus on learning those things since he has now made it clear that he expects this." I was prepared to say, "Duh." You got tact instead.
I'm not going to write it for you. As a boss, how would you like it expressed to you? You think.
But a job you're grateful for having because it provides income does.
You have to be able to communicate with them and their business rules.
To "Not a big deal, I'll focus on learning those things since he has now made it clear that he expects this." I was prepared to say, "Duh." You got tact instead.
You're becoming more belligerent with every post, yet still not getting the point, then downplaying earnest advice as "confirmation bias" because you didn't get the comfort you asked for.
It sounds like you bungled the interaction when he ASKED YOU your opinion. Instead of answering the question he asked, you made the point you wanted to make.
You say you're frustrated, and it apparently shows. You don't have to say it out loud for a manager to know that.
Yes, managers make mistakes. Job descriptions change. You've gotten good advice here on how to proceed. I would put down your guard and take the advice.
You're becoming more belligerent with every post, yet still not getting the point, then downplaying earnest advice as "confirmation bias" because you didn't get the comfort you asked for.
It sounds like you bungled the interaction when he ASKED YOU your opinion. Instead of answering the question he asked, you made the point you wanted to make.
You say you're frustrated, and it apparently shows. You don't have to say it out loud for a manager to know that.
Yes, managers make mistakes. Job descriptions change. You've gotten good advice here on how to proceed. I would put down your guard and take the advice.
I'm sorry that I am coming across that way. I know what I need to do. I'm just not agreeing with the posters who are treating me like an idiot. It's not helpful to criticize me and then not provide feedback as to what I could change, but this seems to be management 101 anymore.
I'm sorry that I am coming across that way. I know what I need to do. I'm just not agreeing with the posters who are treating me like an idiot. It's not helpful to criticize me and then not provide feedback as to what I could change, but this seems to be management 101 anymore.
Hey, you're doing that wrong.
Okay, how do you think I can improve?
You figure it out!
You won't and cannot expect to agree with everyone who responds. Replying to them is futile.
What you can do is sort through and take the actual good advice that has been offered:
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In these cases the best thing to do in these cases is not to fight the system and keep doing what you are currently doing, and the best you can at it. And bide your time until you can find a better job.
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Originally Posted by Stymie13
Similar experience, bit my tongue, smiled, did what was asked and got into contracting.
If you are sas/sql based, put yourself out there and get into 'big data'.
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A good rule of thumb going forward, IMO, is not to make any signficant suggestions, or make any work requests, until you've been in a job for six months. It takes six months to get familiar with the job, the people, the company, the politics, as well as prove yourself.
I would advise learning to make the best of whatever work you are given, keeping in mind that work changes.
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This will pass. I had a rotten job for about 6 mos years ago. It was horrible while I was going through it. But I ended up with a job I was much happier with. Remember that it will get better.
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Step back, keep your head down and do your job. Many of us have been in your shoes, start looking. It is hard as hell to work in an environment like that, but you'll get through it!
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Yeah, don't make this about him.
If you are weak in some areas, him putting you on a PDP is his logical response. This is the big thing with employers these days. Happens all the time.
But if you are not happy with your job description, getting a new job is YOUR logical response.
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Do NOT write a letter to your manager. Very bad idea. Instead, let him know that you see value in the way the job is moving and that you would like to do whatever is best for the company.
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You need to find another job, and in the meantime, just do what they've told you to do, and don't bring it up anymore.
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If it were me, I'd be all business with this whacko mgr. No more engagement about anything ambitious or anything remotely outside of the core duties. Head down, do the job, say no more about anything, that's it. I also wouldn't try to impress him with anything. Just do the job.
I made a mistake. In my heart, I thought I was doing the right thing by sharing with my manager what some of my career interests were. I've only brought it up once with him about a month ago on my own. This second time, on Monday, he provoked the response hy asking what I thought about the job so far. Once again, I thought I was doing the right thing by mentioning that I am trying to incorporate my career aspirations into my job. I thought I was displaying initiative and drive. This experience has taught me, if nothing else, to keep my ambitions to myself.
The manager is probably more at fault, but you need to stop insisting on "performance reviews", esp if the original experience wasn't all that great. This constant " how am I doing" routine can wear on people..
I'm sorry that I am coming across that way. I know what I need to do. I'm just not agreeing with the posters who are treating me like an idiot. It's not helpful to criticize me and then not provide feedback as to what I could change, but this seems to be management 101 anymore.
Hey, you're doing that wrong.
Okay, how do you think I can improve?
You figure it out!
Do you understand what's happening? People are testing your responses here, seeing how you respond, and using that information to read between the lines of what's really happening at your workplace. They think that, since you seem not to be getting it here, perhaps you are not getting it there as well, and perhaps your version of events is not tremendously objective.
I don't have a dog in the fight, so to speak, just trying to help you take a step back and see why this, like your job, is going south.
Do you understand what's happening? People are testing your responses here, seeing how you respond, and using that information to read between the lines of what's really happening at your workplace. They think that, since you seem not to be getting it here, perhaps you are not getting it there as well, and perhaps your version of events is not tremendously objective.
I don't have a dog in the fight, so to speak, just trying to help you take a step back and see why this, like your job, is going south.
Excellent!
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Replying to them is futile.
