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HI! I was wondering if anyone out there was a Child Life Specialist? Could you please provide information about the training (what does it involve?). I have seen internship programs available. Is an internship all you need to get certified if you already have a degree in education? Also, do you like your job? What are the pros and cons? Just from reading about the career on a couple of children's hospital websites it sounds like it would be interesting and rewarding, but I would love to hear from someone who actually works as one.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can provide any insight!
JUst a guess, but you might want to also post in "education" and/or "psychology"
good luck
p.s. Based soley on the money they make! I would go for a masters in pschology or education. They make more money and you don't have to relocate to find a position.
HI! I was wondering if anyone out there was a Child Life Specialist? Could you please provide information about the training (what does it involve?). I have seen internship programs available. Is an internship all you need to get certified if you already have a degree in education? Also, do you like your job? What are the pros and cons? Just from reading about the career on a couple of children's hospital websites it sounds like it would be interesting and rewarding, but I would love to hear from someone who actually works as one.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can provide any insight!
I'm not a child life specialist but it is a career that I've looked into. I'd say the biggest drawback is that you have to be willing to move just about anywhere (or potentially wait a long time for a position to open up). That being said, it does seem like a very rewarding career. You might want to contact the Child Life Council. They could probably put you in touch with people who could tell you more about the job and what training is involved:
Getting there: A bachelor's degree (e.g., in child development) with at least 10 related courses—including a 480-hour internship—will prepare you for this rewarding, but often low-paying career.
I know this thread is almost a year old, but just in case you're still keeping tabs on it... I'm a child life specialist and would be more than happy to answer any questions.
If you already have a degree in education, you may or may not need some extra classes. You need to have ten classes in specific areas (things like child development, psych, some sociology count... but others are important, too, like classes on death/dying, play, medical terminology, etc.) You can check the Child Life Council website (www.childlife.org) for more info on the classes. Once you have the proper classes, you can apply for an internship. Most programs prefer that you have volunteer experience in the hospital setting first or a practicum experience. The internship is 480 hours, and then you are able to sit for the child life certification exam.
I concentrated in child life in college, but some of my co-workers were pyschology and human development. You need a really strong background in development- you need to be able to quickly assess kids. An education degree probably gave you this background.
I love my job. I work in pediatric hematology/oncology (blood disorders and cancer.) It is extremely rewarding and challenging at the same time, and no day is ever like another. I spend my days teaching children about their diagnoses and treatments, explaining procedures. I do medical play with kids to help them explore in safe ways and become more comfortable with medical equipment. I go to their schools and teach their peers about why they are out of school/why they look different coming back. I distract kids during painful procedures and help them learn coping skills. I play- a lot! I do bereavement support, plan an annual memorial service, that kind of thing... but also plan an annual holiday party and annual summer party, plan special events and visitors, etc.
Pros- fun job (a lot of the time!) Hugs and smiles! Watching a kid finally "get" something, be it gain the ability to get through an IV start okay, or finally understand why or how things are happening. Seeing happy kids. Seeing not so happy kids become happy. So many feelings I can't put into words.
Cons- there are obvious ones (not all children get better) but one of the hardest things is not being able to help every child or make every intervention work. Sometimes, there's nothing I can do to make a procedure easier on a child. Sometimes a child is having such a bad day or is in so much pain that I'm not sure anything I'm doing is really helping.
The pay isn't great, and the field has a high burn-out rate- it's a hard job to leave at work. But for me, it's worth it.
So again, not sure if you're going to read this, but if you do, feel free to contact me with any questions.
This is one of the most idiotic 'PROFESSIONS' ever created. I am not trying to hurt anyone, just posting honest opinions and the truth.
Child Life Specialist: These individuals get paid about 40k-60k a year to play with the kids. That's it. That's all they do. No training, no therapy, no teaching, no nothing. The sort of thing the candystripers used to do in an earlier, more sane world.
Many of these so-called child life specialists (not all,) have bachelors degrees in psychology, early childhood education, or yadayadayada yada. However, do their jobs really require any of these four year degrees? No! Technically, pediatric nurses or nursing assistants are more than capable of doing the same thing, and also good honest volunteers!
These people are working in a hospital setting, which in America unfortunately establishes a hierarchial structure, with the doctors being on top because they spent all the time and effort to go to medical school, the nurses after them, and these 'specialists' at the bottom. So in actuality this hierarchial system causes them to be more self aware and have a low self esteem. Because of this they treat volunteers like crap to make themselves feel superior, or because they feel like their jobs are threatened! They make a career out of something that should be made common sense to everyone that has or doesn't have kids! One ultimately paid for - and this is the best part - by the families of the sick kids themselves!
When I and others have volunteered at the hospital for over four years, that is exactly why they didn't like me and other volunteers, because they felt we were taking away their jobs! At any point if they felt their jobs threatened by any volunteer or staff member, they simply tried to find ways to make that person quit (it's the same as the UAW in the Automotive industry, and what really killed the automotive industry!)
Perhaps you could get a night job as a "Beer Drinking Specialist" and get the bar to pay you for the right to drink their beer.
Unfortunately we Americans are creating service based, useless jobs to keep the economy going (No other country, including western countries such as Germany and England have a useless job such as a Child Life Specialist.) It's not because these other countries are evil and don't care about sick kids, it's simply because they realize that you don't need a four year college degree and useless certification to do this!
Here's an honest question for you: Is there really a need for a four year college degree and some type of 'crafted' certification (which by the way I am sure someone sitting at home is collecting quite some money from,) to do this job? NO!!!! Or could the hospitals hire a nursing assistant for $10/hour instead of paying someone over $40K-$60K to do the same thing?
Face the real facts: the 'Child life specialists' are nothing but a marketing ploy for the competing hospitals to try and make more money!
It's a way to advertise their facilities as being better so a person will go to their hospital instead of a competing hospital.
Like I mentioned before, unfortunately, this is why health care reform is needed in this country -- because medicine is turning into a big business!
In the short term, these jobs can make people feel more valuable and better about what they do. However, the real fact is that this is simply a wasteful product of american consumerism capitalism. Instead of promoting more parental and community awareness of how to raise children, help the sick children in communities, the American university and medical system is creating more useless jobs out of it!
The universities create more psychology based programs because it is a much easier field to study and go into (compared to real fields such as engineering or medicine, what do you do with a bachelors degree in psychology? nothing!) and the universities want the money.
This is exactly the situation and greed which caused the housing bubble and led to the banking bailouts, which killed the auto industry and the auto bailouts, and it's what's killing health care system now and needs health care reform.
I am only mentioning all this so people looking to go into these types of profession realize how they are part of and affect the overall system! What we don't need in this country is college graduates going into ridiculous fields such as this. What we do need is more people working and studying harder in science, real engineering, and real medicine to develop the future.
It's a lot more difficult and a lot of work, I know, and unfortunately people often want to take the easy way rather than the more difficult road.
Broadanon, it seems you have something against child life specialists and also do not know much about what we do. Your post reeks of ignorance of the profession, but I'll address just a couple of points.
Play with kids all day? That's funny. Let me tell you about a day in the life of my child life job... attend morning meeting to discuss all patients coming to clinic and all inpatients. Who has what issues going on? Clinic always begins with procedures. Distract kids while getting ports accessed. Explain anesthesia to a three year old in a way she can understand. Practice putting an IV in a doll with a five year old so he gains mastery over the procedure and it isn't so scary. Convince anesthesiologist to let six year old push anesthesia to give her some control... it works, and she doesn't freak out when going to sleep. Find out about new diagnosis. Tell a seven year old she has leukemia, what leukemia is, what is going to happen, all in words she can understand. Teach her about a PICC line insertion and stay with her through procedure providing distraction and relaxation exercises. Explain to same child that she will be admitted to the hospital. Explain chemotherapy. Address common misconceptions for this age (can you name those? A background in child development lets you immediately realize what a seven year old is likely to be concerned about.) Rush over to 14 year old experiencing anxiety. Provide guided imagery, talk about what he can do for himself to help cope. He's not sleeping at night and he's scared of dying. Talk about fears and reality. Teach coping techniques. Find several 6-8 year olds in playroom, wanting to play a game about cancer. Play game, which dissolves into lengthy discussion about returning to school with no hair and being bullied. Listen to concerns and advise kids. Talk about redoing school visits. Discussion turns, and decide to make blood soup with the kids for a reminder on why hair falls out on chemo. Talk about cells and how chemo gets rid of the cancer cells and the good cells.
Oh, play! How could I forget play? Drag out cloth dolls, markers, and medical supplies. Let kids decorate cloth dolls with faces and clothes and any booboos. Supervise free play with medical supplies. Figure out misconceptions by listening. Hear the three year old tell his doll he's getting medicine because he was bad. Address that misconception; explain why child gets medicine and remind child that nothing he did or didn't do caused this. Two year old afraid of oral syringe finally picks one up and pretends to use it correctly with doll. Baby steps, but this is a victory.
And that's all before 11 am. The rest of the day could include a visit to a patient's school to explain cancer, why their classmate will look different, how to keep classmate safe upon return to school, etc. Reassure a kindergarten class that they will not catch leukemia from their friend, and a fifth grade class that their classmate is doing well and that he is not actually dying, like they think. Or I could spend it on the inpatient unit, with a patient on hospice, making a memory box and doing handprints, or helping the siblings to understand death and say goodbye. Or I could have an intense discussion with a 12 year old resisting her meds, to find out that she is ready to stop and knows that means death.
Does that all still sound easy to you? If so, why aren't you doing it?
This has been a long enough post; I will address more in the next.
The degrees required for this profession are for good reason. Any person who has completed a degree, internship, and exam has proven to have a solid grasp on child development, and has studied the topic intensely. They have also taken classes in regard to death and dying, family systems, and more. They are taught how to interpret the medical world for a child's understanding.
A nursing assistant is not necessarily equipped to do this job. They don't have training in child development. Pediatric nurses have little training in child development, beyond the physical. We inservice nursing students during their peds rotations, and it's amazing some of the things they think are okay to say to kids.
Volunteers are invaluable to child life programs. We couldn't possibly provide the same level of care to our patients without our volunteers. But our volunteers have a very different role- they are great for playing with kids, spending time talking with families, etc. Some volunteers are very, very good and we see a future for them in our field. Others are not so good. I've had to talk to volunteers about things they've said to kids (don't cry, be good or you'll get another needle, etc.) Some volunteers instinctively know how to work with kids in the medical setting, and some don't.
I keep going back to your scattered post, trying to address points. But the thing that stands out the most is you saying you are presenting facts, when indeed, you are not. You have opinions, fine. But it sounds like your opinions are colored by interaction at one hospital, and that is not the norm.
Nice to know that you think we are greedy and in it for easy money. The salary you quoted is quite HIGH for child life and not the norm. It is not an easy profession, and nobody goes into this for money.
I would highly suggest that you actually spend some time shadowing a CLS or stop spouting off on something you know little about.
FYI, we are not reimbursable by insurance. Families are not billed for our services. I work in peds hem/onc and consult to adult units, and not one single family is billed. My personal salary comes from the umbrella organization for peds hem/onc in my state, which is funded through donations. And I would love to be making as much as you claim we make, but I'll settle for less and the hugs, smiles and kids and parents telling me thank you for being there for them, for helping them to understand and helping them cope.
This is one of the most idiotic 'PROFESSIONS' ever created. I am not trying to hurt anyone, just posting honest opinions and the truth.
Child Life Specialist: These individuals get paid about 40k-60k a year to play with the kids. That's it. That's all they do. No training, no therapy, no teaching, no nothing. The sort of thing the candystripers used to do in an earlier, more sane world.
Many of these so-called child life specialists (not all,) have bachelors degrees in psychology, early childhood education, or yadayadayada yada. However, do their jobs really require any of these four year degrees? No! Technically, pediatric nurses or nursing assistants are more than capable of doing the same thing, and also good honest volunteers!
These people are working in a hospital setting, which in America unfortunately establishes a hierarchial structure, with the doctors being on top because they spent all the time and effort to go to medical school, the nurses after them, and these 'specialists' at the bottom. So in actuality this hierarchial system causes them to be more self aware and have a low self esteem. Because of this they treat volunteers like crap to make themselves feel superior, or because they feel like their jobs are threatened! They make a career out of something that should be made common sense to everyone that has or doesn't have kids! One ultimately paid for - and this is the best part - by the families of the sick kids themselves!
When I and others have volunteered at the hospital for over four years, that is exactly why they didn't like me and other volunteers, because they felt we were taking away their jobs! At any point if they felt their jobs threatened by any volunteer or staff member, they simply tried to find ways to make that person quit (it's the same as the UAW in the Automotive industry, and what really killed the automotive industry!)
Perhaps you could get a night job as a "Beer Drinking Specialist" and get the bar to pay you for the right to drink their beer.
Unfortunately we Americans are creating service based, useless jobs to keep the economy going (No other country, including western countries such as Germany and England have a useless job such as a Child Life Specialist.) It's not because these other countries are evil and don't care about sick kids, it's simply because they realize that you don't need a four year college degree and useless certification to do this!
Here's an honest question for you: Is there really a need for a four year college degree and some type of 'crafted' certification (which by the way I am sure someone sitting at home is collecting quite some money from,) to do this job? NO!!!! Or could the hospitals hire a nursing assistant for $10/hour instead of paying someone over $40K-$60K to do the same thing?
Face the real facts: the 'Child life specialists' are nothing but a marketing ploy for the competing hospitals to try and make more money!
It's a way to advertise their facilities as being better so a person will go to their hospital instead of a competing hospital.
Like I mentioned before, unfortunately, this is why health care reform is needed in this country -- because medicine is turning into a big business!
In the short term, these jobs can make people feel more valuable and better about what they do. However, the real fact is that this is simply a wasteful product of american consumerism capitalism. Instead of promoting more parental and community awareness of how to raise children, help the sick children in communities, the American university and medical system is creating more useless jobs out of it!
The universities create more psychology based programs because it is a much easier field to study and go into (compared to real fields such as engineering or medicine, what do you do with a bachelors degree in psychology? nothing!) and the universities want the money.
This is exactly the situation and greed which caused the housing bubble and led to the banking bailouts, which killed the auto industry and the auto bailouts, and it's what's killing health care system now and needs health care reform.
I am only mentioning all this so people looking to go into these types of profession realize how they are part of and affect the overall system! What we don't need in this country is college graduates going into ridiculous fields such as this. What we do need is more people working and studying harder in science, real engineering, and real medicine to develop the future.
It's a lot more difficult and a lot of work, I know, and unfortunately people often want to take the easy way rather than the more difficult road.
I have to disagree. During a recent trip to the local children's hospital my ds was able to access a child life specialist. She was the best thing ever. He needed an IV, and was fighting. They were trying to restrain him, but that wasn't working. Anyway as soon as I reminded the nurse he was ASD she stopped everything to get the CLS. As soon as she came everything changed. She was wonderful!!!! Needless to say I was very grateful for her presence. He got his IV without needing to be restrained. She made a terrorizing visit to the ER a positive.
First I want to let you know that I am really NOT trying to insult you personally because you are a child life specialist. You said, "Does that all still sound easy to you? If so, why aren't you doing it?" ACTUALLY to be honest, it does sound easy to me, AND I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO IT for over the last FOUR YEARS as a volunteer at our local Children's Hospital!! I would have been more than happy to spend half or most of my weekend doing this for the children, had the volunteers been treated with more respect by these so called 'specialists.' But ofcourse the Chid Life Specialists have to make themselves feel more valuable than the regular volunteers and therefore treat them like second rate employees they don't want to give any respect to. Here's a question to you, Why don't you get a real challenging job in real medicine or Engineering, and then volunteer to do what you get paid to do for free like me and many others?? Frankly to be honest, I have much more respect for the geneticists, scientists, researchers, engineers, that are spending hours on hours and days in labs trying to find real cures, building new machines and technology to save these kids lives than these child life specialists that only want to make themselves feel more valuable for doing really nothing.
Unfortunately the system in America, because of its excess resources and wealth compared to other countries is setup this way to create more laziness and pretentious jobs that make people 'LOOK GOOD,' which in reality are adding little or no value to society while making people feel more rewarded and useful for really doing nothing. This is partially the individual's fault and partially the system's fault. However we do need to change both as the individuals collectively form the system! This country and it's rules are starting to run on too much pretentiousness and people need to start realizing this or the country and economy will head downturn even worse than it has. Like I mentioned before, NO OTHER COUNTRY IN EUROPE, ASIA, OR AFRICA has child life specialists. They simply can't afford to waste resources on this type of uselessness, and neither can America in the not too far future as the population grows and resources become less and less.
Now to address your other comments also, I don't need to shadow a Child Life Specialist to understand what they do as I had been volunteering at our local Children's Hospital for over four years and have dealt with playing and comforting very sick children and dealt with these Child Life Specialists as well. In US, healthcare is one field where people don't care about money first, especially when it comes to children and this is understandably so as we want the best for our kids and the insurance pays for majority of the bills. You mentioned in your case the insurance doesn't pay for the child life specialists, however SOMEONE does, whether it be a non-profit charity based organization. That money could be spent on much better things, such as healthcare for the poor, research, much needed engineering, or how about this for example, helping the completely poor, homeless, and sick children in Haiti that have lost EVERYTHING!! Instead of making our country and the world a better place through real Engineering and Medicine, we in America are creating useless degrees at universities such as Psychology. This is a SERIOUS FACT, just look up the low percentage of Americans that are excelling in Math and science graduating from high school and college compared to other countries, America is falling WAY BEHIND! I can't tell you how many people I knew in college that majored in completely useless majors or subspecialties such as Psychology, education, communication, etc. and are now doing something completely rediuclous for jobs, such as loading trucks, or being an unvaluable 'specialist' somewhere. They have told me themselves that psychology is a "useless" major (and that is a direct quote.) Then the system ofcourse has to create jobs for these people no matter how rediculous it might be, because they have a college degree (which in actuality may be completely useless!)
Here's an interesting fact, when I was in highschool twelve years ago I used to volunteer at a suicide help hotline center. At these centers, there were NO 'Suicide Prevention Specialists.' They would use existing VOLUNTEERS to train new VOLUNTEERS, who would then handle all the phone calls and talk to the really distraught people that would call in during the late night on the verge to commit suicide and try to help them. NOW THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A MINUTE!!!! Many of these people are on the verge of committing suicide!! However, are we creating useless 'SPECIALIST' jobs to talk to these people and calm them down?? THE ANSWER IS NO!!!! WHY NOT?? If good honest volunteers can talk someone down from committing suicide, why are they not capable of playing with kids with dolls, explaing to them medical procedures, etc. The staff at this center respected the volunteers and the volunteers did a great job! Instead what do these child life specialists do? They treat volunteers like crap to raise their self-esteem (as I mentioned before most have a lower self esteem due to being at the lower rung of the hospital ladder compared to nurses and doctors.) I know two other volunteers and one staff member that had to quit because of how these child life specialists treated them. Even myself, after donating nearly a thousand dollars in toys, etc. and over 300 hours volunteering decided to eventually quit because of these people and how they treat volunteers due to their low self esteem. Instead of building a better sense of community, creation of these types of jobs does EXACTLY the opposite and this is not something this country and the world needs!
DISTRACTION, give me a break!!!! Please don't even get me started with this! I had to go to the Emergency Department earlier this year with my 1 year old niece and sister in law to their local hospital. There were no child life specialists. As the doctor started checking my niece, who ofcourse started crying at being poked about my sister in law pulled out her keys and started shaking them and asking my niece in a soothing voice to 'look at the keys, look at the keys.' And my niece stopped crying! ARE YOU SERIOUSLY TELLING ME that good honest volunteers, who care about the community and can talk an emotional person down from committing suicide CAN'T DISTRACT A CHILD??
The other things you mentioned, such as "Explain anesthesia to a three year old in a way she can understand," and "Convince anesthesiologist to let six year old push anesthesia to give her some control," these are things that the medical system SHOULD TEACH THE MEDICAL STUDENTS, PEDIATRIC ANESTHESIOLOGIST or the Pediatric Nurses!!!! They should add a FEW ADDITIONAL COURSES and some hands on experience to the MEDICINE AND NURSING PROGRAMS. to teach these things instead of creating useless new jobs out of it!
Again, these are not complicated things that require a four year college degree to learn, but simple basics that should be taught to the medical students who are looking to go into pediatrics and the nurses. In fact, I have actually SEEN the doctors and nurses do these same types of things in the absence of child life specialists. Even volunteers like myself and others are willing to (and have done it,) do this for FREE!! And guess what, this is beneficial to everyone as it teaches volunteers and people in the community on how to talk to kids and how to be a better parent. I can honestly tell you, that I will be a much better parent in the future because of my volunteer experience (regardless of the treatment of the child life specialists,) with the children.
Regarding your comment on greediness, I didn't say ALL CHILD LIFE SPECIALISTS are greedy! I said MOST OF THEM (A MAJORITY,) ARE. And this is based on what I have seen. Many of these so called specialists are young girls, age 21-26 fresh from graduating with a useless major in college who care a lot about looking good and trying to find a rich doctor or some other rich guy to date (TRUST ME, I AM SPEAKING FROM TRUE OBSERVATIONS HERE.) Their job becomes a way for them to make themselves look better and raise their 'image.' Most of these girls have daddy or their family paying for their college tuition and know nothing about real hard work! Here's another honest question for you, do you think anyone that will pull out between $30K-60K of loans to go to college, work hard during college to make ends meet while studying late nights, will major in some useless major such as psychology or child life specialization?? I know myself and many others have done exactly this type of hard work, AND THE ANSWER IS NO!!!! Because the effort we put into true and valuable college education teaches us to make good use of it and work hard in a REAL CAREER that will pay well for it's worth so we can repay the loans and do real useful work. Do you think most of these girls could pay off these types of loans based on what their mediore child life specialist salary pays them, unless they find some rich sugar daddy doctor to marry and take care of them for the rest of their lives?? Again, I am not exaggerating here and simply speaking from true observations (and I know you are not going to like it at all.) I have met a few very nice child life specialists who are very respectful and caring towards everyone (and I hope you are one of them.) However do we need to change the system so these people will attain better positions (such as Pediatric Nurses with more responsibilities,) they are more challenged and make a better difference fully utilizing their caring talents??
Also, You know who are the loneliest people in the hospital are? It's not the kids but the old people. Half of the elderly patients forgotten by their children... treated as a number, regarded as a chore by the staff.
Sick kids draw caring people to them like bears to honey (the doctors, volunteers, techs, CNAs, the freakin' janitors). But not sick old people who have far more need for a bright happy young person to come and talk to them and enliven their day while waiting on surgery. Guess what, these old people are the same or even more scared of dying!! Believe me, I have seen how scared my old grandmother (who has passed away now,) was of dying and SEEN HER CRYING AT NIGHT!!
But there aren't any "Senior Life Specialists," are there? Could it be that playing with the elderly isn't as fun because they aren't so cute and cuddly, so nobody invents a job around it which will make them look good, feel more valuable and as if they have achieved a major accomplishment graduating with an easy and useless degree such as psychology (when in actuality they have not!)?
"Some people will defend any invented profession that wants a turn at the healthcare trough, no matter how ridiculous that "profession" may be."
To Spazkat9696,
First, I am really sorry to hear about your child in the hospital. I really do hope your child does get and feels better.
Here's a question for you, if you had two competing hospitals you could take your child to. A.) had a 'Child life specialist' with a CCLS title who gets paid $40-60K to play with the kids, B.) has a 'Volunteer' specialist who does the SAME THING for free. WHICH ONE WOULD YOU TAKE YOUR CHILD TO??
I think most Americans would pick A.) because the useless title 'CCLS' sounds more resounding and professional than just a volunteer who does the same thing. It's all just a matter of titles and illusion in America. Even though both would provide the same services of helping people, one simply sounds better. Child life specialists are a good marketing ploy by the hospitals to attract more business, plain simple.
Will these jobs will still exist if and when healthcare becomes socialized in this country (which personally I think will be a good thing,) the population of this country keeps growing at an explosive rate, and the actual costs of healthcare become more transparent to every one?
Here's a link further discussing the rediculousness of this profession with the same comments as above and more from others, [url=http://forums.studentdoctor.net/archive/index.php/t-517252.html]
Again, I am only mentioning all this not to insult anyone however to hopefully raise more awareness on the issues with the system that has developed in America. The problem is deep, not underlying with the child life specialists alone but with the entire medical system, and furthermore with American consumerism in general. The medical system is setup in a way where Doctor's develop a high ego because being a 'Doctor' is considered top respect and a huge achievement (which in actuality is not.) Like I mentioned before, the medical school's keep a tight lid in the graduating number of doctors to keep being a doctor a 'safe profession' (how many doctors do you see going to the unemployment office?) I am not just berating the child life specialists, but also other glorified professions. I will also include half of the MBA graduates as well, majority of the MBA degrees are nothing but uselessness that any self propelling entrepreneur can learn and do on his own (Just look at the world's richest business man, most of them don't even have a college degree!) Unfortunately, MBA is also becoming a prized value making someone look good more so than their actual value, and hence the need for more bailouts in the future as people are not doing real Engineering and Science. However this will not last very long, as people in America are getting lazier and fatter and we have stalled focusing on real innovating careers such as science and engineering (this is why majority of engineers are now 'imported' from China and India.)
However, this will lead to further population growth at an explosive rate, more competion, socialized medicine, more bailouts, etc. etc. Instead Americans need to be an example for the world, learn to challenge themselves more intellectually and physically, and start majoring in more useful careers such as science, math and engineering to develop the future instead of this type of rediculousness!
Last edited by broadanon; 06-11-2010 at 10:35 PM..
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