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Old 08-22-2016, 06:35 PM
 
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Would be nice to see people who say this to actually have some facts to support this if not it is just an opinion. There are not enough higher paying jobs for everyone to have so someone has to work these jobs. Doubt this will be read since this seems to just be a bash people who work these jobs more then actually technology taking these jobs.
The people who work these jobs can't expect them to provide an independent living wage because minimum wage was never intended to do that. Minimum wage jobs are meant for teenagers, students, and adults who live in a shared housing situation and who don't have a lot of expenses other than the basics like food and clothing. These $15 an hour protesters are treating minimum wage like it's supposed to cover a two bedroom apartment, utilities, cell phone, cable TV, designer clothes, car payment, entertainment, restaurant meals, etc.
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Old 08-22-2016, 07:21 PM
 
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there are some people that just dont deserve minimum wages, some just are not intelligent enough or skilled for minimum waages. it not for a living wages but beginning skill level. I think the minimum should be done away with, and you get paid on skill. if someone was too low on pay, then walk. company are using the minimum wages law as an excuse to not pay more, but if employee was walking then they would be force to pay to keep good help
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Old 08-22-2016, 07:32 PM
 
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Would be nice to see people who say this to actually have some facts to support this if not it is just an opinion. There are not enough higher paying jobs for everyone to have so someone has to work these jobs. Doubt this will be read since this seems to just be a bash people who work these jobs more then actually technology taking these jobs.

Lack of other options does not change that ff is a great, starter job for 16 year olds seeking date/play money. Not for those raising a family.
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Old 08-22-2016, 07:50 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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The people who work these jobs can't expect them to provide an independent living wage because minimum wage was never intended to do that. Minimum wage jobs are meant for teenagers, students, and adults who live in a shared housing situation and who don't have a lot of expenses other than the basics like food and clothing. These $15 an hour protesters are treating minimum wage like it's supposed to cover a two bedroom apartment, utilities, cell phone, cable TV, designer clothes, car payment, entertainment, restaurant meals, etc.
Again no facts just opinions thrown out. Show me where it says those jobs are just for teenagers. I do not think you will find that on any application to any of these places. Who defines what jobs are for what purpose? If these jobs are just for teenagers and students why are there adults doing these jobs?
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Old 08-22-2016, 08:03 PM
 
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If these jobs are just for teenagers and students why are there adults doing these jobs?

Because they failed to do what they should have to obtain a 21st century skill set.


They also agreed to accept the wage they are getting. They are properly being paid the mutually agreed upon rate.
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Old 08-22-2016, 08:04 PM
 
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Lowering cost of employees in the face of increasing minimum wages is one piece of it, but as a business owner I can tell you a big piece of it is that having employees can be a real PITA and the fewer of them you need to have, the better. By far one of the biggest time sucks for any employer is dealing with employee issues so the fewer employees, the more time freed up to improve the business.

I would way rather have a staff of machines than people if it were possible for my business. Machines don't call in sick, spend the day playing on their phones, spend all day on FB, complain constantly about x personal problem they're having, etc.etc etc. Basically machines are drama free; they don't take breaks, work faster than human employees with more accuracy, don't require health insurance that can cost more than their actual wages and don't sue you when they get fired for spending all day playing on their phone.

Robots and automation in general are wonderful, reliable, and yes, no extra issues to del with.
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Old 08-22-2016, 08:13 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Lack of other options does not change that ff is a great, starter job for 16 year olds seeking date/play money. Not for those raising a family.
Maybe you need to get out more and see who is actually working most of these jobs here's a hint it is not teenagers. If you think min wage is for teens and students you should read the Federal Minimum Wage Act. Franklin Roosevelt the President at the time who enacted the min wage said this " No business which depends for existence on paying less then living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country."
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Old 08-22-2016, 08:14 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Because they failed to do what they should have to obtain a 21st century skill set.


They also agreed to accept the wage they are getting. They are properly being paid the mutually agreed upon rate.
So everyone is smart enough to get a skill set and if they do there will be a job for them?
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Old 08-22-2016, 08:21 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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there are some people that just dont deserve minimum wages, some just are not intelligent enough or skilled for minimum waages. it not for a living wages but beginning skill level. I think the minimum should be done away with, and you get paid on skill. if someone was too low on pay, then walk. company are using the minimum wages law as an excuse to not pay more, but if employee was walking then they would be force to pay to keep good help
Right some people should not make enough to live on just let them keep living on the government handouts which I am sure you will complain about in another thread or be homeless which is what will happen if they walk. The employer would not pay more if the employee walked they would just hire someone else.
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Old 08-22-2016, 08:21 PM
 
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Maybe you need to get out more and see who is actually working most of these jobs here's a hint it is not teenagers. ."

Doesn't change the value of a low skill job learned solely on the job.
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