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Old 05-10-2013, 11:49 PM
 
Location: Tha 6th Bourough
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I would consider myself one of the hardest workers at any job I have been a part of over the years. I'm usually able to get things done faster than most people around me, and find myself being a person who goes out of the way to do extra unrequired tasks to help co-workers, customers, or the company I am at.

I guess I am the workhorse because nobody ever offers to give me a raise, or rewards me with the same treatment that other lazy employees receive based off of their ability to kiss-butt and their charisma/charm. Sometimes I wish I didn't go out of my way to perform my job as well as I do, and just half-ass things like lots of my piers do since they seem to get away with it and get time off when they want or get cut to go home early as I get stuck at work later than they have to ever be there.

This opening paragraph is not the whole entire story because that would take a book to explain it all, but this is a short explanation of how I feel tonight after busting my butt every single day and picking up slack from lazy people at work as they get time off, and I either have to make a big issue out of things and fight for a simple day off or not get one at all when I requested it, even though these other people get to pick and choose when they get off it seems.

Why do employers use hard workers, and make things more stressful on them as they overlook the lack of effort and care that other employees have for their jobs? Anyone out there feel me on this? Anyone else have the experience of knowing that the better you get at your job, and the more effort you put in that it usually leads to being used as a workhorse as others get promoted/benefits ect?
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Old 05-11-2013, 01:16 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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What I've discovered in my life is that it is all about the arse kissing. Bring in a coffee for you and the boss every Wednesday, call it, "Coffee Wednesday!" (I've actually witnessed this.) Guess what? The person who did that, while not the best at their job, gets every opportunity that comes down the line.

The people who are diligent, work hard, (and I'm not just talking about me), show up on time, work over when asked, etc...are treated like crap and eventually fired if "coffee hag" decides she doesn't like them. (This is a true story and again, it's not even about me! But what I witnessed was disgusting.)

I have tried, several times, to slack off, not give a spit, do as they do...but I just can't arse kiss. And, I just can't slack off...it goes against everything I believe in.

It's not in me, it will never be in me, so I will probably never be allowed to spend over half of my shift sitting in the Sup's office looking at the internet and laughing about personal crap getting paid more than the others who are doing the same job but are actually doing it.

It truly is about who is the biggest phony and suck up. That's how the game is played.
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:39 AM
 
Location: Earth
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^Yep. I work in an environment where this kind of thing seems to be encouraged. For those who simply 'come to work to work', nothing could be more demotivating.
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Old 05-11-2013, 03:00 AM
 
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I was about to say the same thing as above; it's the butt kissers who get ahead in the company. It's sad to say but it's true. So pay attention to those butt kissers and see what they're doing and beat them at their own game. The butt kissers at the company I use to work for got promoted only to later quit/got fired.

I guess it's just human nature to gravitate to people who you connect with the most. The one thing butt kissers do is gravitate to people like upper management; I don't know if they realize that they are butt kissing. They do make me sick to my stomach and one of these days I'm just going to snap and call them out on their ****.

I guess in the end if you want to get ahead in life than you must play office politics your self. I've learned the hard way that you must butt kiss to get ahead and to keep your job. Hey if you can't beat them than join them.
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:26 AM
 
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I would consider myself one of the hardest workers at any job I have been a part of over the years. I'm usually able to get things done faster than most people around me, and find myself being a person who goes out of the way to do extra unrequired tasks to help co-workers, customers, or the company I am at.

I guess I am the workhorse because nobody ever offers to give me a raise, or rewards me with the same treatment that other lazy employees receive based off of their ability to kiss-butt and their charisma/charm. There are actually some interesting studies out there about how employers tend to not notice their top performers. I don't really think it's often for any purposeful reason, but I'm sure it is sometimes. I think it has something to do with already feeling like you're fully developed. Flawed thinking, yes. However, YOU need to go after a raise yourself, especially if your employer doesn't have an annual raise/bonus plan implemented. Very rarely have I heard of someone getting a raise (in my industry, and I've worked "behind the scenes" in both HR and Finance, so I'd be aware) unless they made a case for it. Sometimes I wish I didn't go out of my way to perform my job as well as I do, and just half-ass things like lots of my piers do since they seem to get away with it and get time off when they want or get cut to go home early as I get stuck at work later than they have to ever be there. It sounds like you need to have a conversation with your upper management about this. Nobody will ever know unless you tell them. Believe it or not, some people are actually perfectly content without being noticed. Tell them.

This opening paragraph is not the whole entire story because that would take a book to explain it all, but this is a short explanation of how I feel tonight after busting my butt every single day and picking up slack from lazy people at work as they get time off, and I either have to make a big issue out of things and fight for a simple day off or not get one at all when I requested it, even though these other people get to pick and choose when they get off it seems. Again, you either work for an employer who has a flawed system or you never speak up. I'm guessing you don't speak up enough. Try it out.

Why do employers use hard workers, and make things more stressful on them as they overlook the lack of effort and care that other employees have for their jobs? Because chances are, they have a million underperformers they are putting out "fires" about, not worrying about their stars like you. This doesn't excuse it though, so you need to speak up for yourself. Anyone out there feel me on this? I used to until I started asserting myself and setting limits for picking up other people's work. Anyone else have the experience of knowing that the better you get at your job, and the more effort you put in that it usually leads to being used as a workhorse as others get promoted/benefits ect?
See above. I don't disagree that many employers "take advantage", however there are several things you need to try before you chalk it up to them being careless. In my few short years of experience (I've actually been working about full time since 15, so draw your own conclusions), asserting yourself and making yourself known as valuable (tactfully) is important. Setting limits on what you'll do is important. There are several great books on this but I'm not home now. I'll try and recommend them later, but my readings are primarily women-based. It's still great advice though.
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Managers value a cheerful attitude and a sense of humor. If you're a hard worker but throw off resentment vibes you're probably not going to be too popular.
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:55 AM
 
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I would consider myself one of the hardest workers at any job I have been a part of over the years. I'm usually able to get things done faster than most people around me, and find myself being a person who goes out of the way to do extra unrequired tasks to help co-workers, customers, or the company I am at.

I guess I am the workhorse because nobody ever offers to give me a raise, or rewards me with the same treatment that other lazy employees receive based off of their ability to kiss-butt and their charisma/charm. Sometimes I wish I didn't go out of my way to perform my job as well as I do, and just half-ass things like lots of my piers do since they seem to get away with it and get time off when they want or get cut to go home early as I get stuck at work later than they have to ever be there.

This opening paragraph is not the whole entire story because that would take a book to explain it all, but this is a short explanation of how I feel tonight after busting my butt every single day and picking up slack from lazy people at work as they get time off, and I either have to make a big issue out of things and fight for a simple day off or not get one at all when I requested it, even though these other people get to pick and choose when they get off it seems.

Why do employers use hard workers, and make things more stressful on them as they overlook the lack of effort and care that other employees have for their jobs? Anyone out there feel me on this? Anyone else have the experience of knowing that the better you get at your job, and the more effort you put in that it usually leads to being used as a workhorse as others get promoted/benefits ect?
Have you ever asked for a raise?

Perhaps they just see it as you doing your job.

Some people just have a better work ethic than others and perform their tasks better than their counterparts.

This is why socialism doesn't work. This is also why unions don't work.
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Old 05-11-2013, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Have you ever asked for a raise?

Perhaps they just see it as you doing your job.

Some people just have a better work ethic than others and perform their tasks better than their counterparts.

This is why socialism doesn't work. This is also why unions don't work.
After my father died my mother dated old Sam. He had lived under communist rule in Russia and said one thing.."They punished those that were bright and worked hard".. that was it.

When my father came to Canada in 1950 he joined a union. He was a very energetic man with leadership qualities. One day he was on the job and figured out a way for two men to do what usually takes ten men to accomplish. He worked at a high rate of speed also. He was taken aside and told not to work so hard..that it caused others to work hard and they simply did not want to work hard.

Also decades later I had a wood be brother in law. He was a man who ran a number of companies and was also an investment banker. He said "Corporations do not want hard working highly intelligent people..they want mediocre worker who moves slowly who could keep the wheels turning"...The wheel did not have to go any where...it has to appear that it was useful...

Spending 18 years in the film business and giving it 110%. Eventually I was used up and disposed of. Management and middle management resent those that have more energy and ability than themselves. During my stint in the film industry - I was not considered important...but it was odd - novice directors would look to me for approval. My agent also resented me because casting people requested me specifically and she lost the power to make those decisions.

If you want to be successful in the modern work place never use 100% of your energy or ability...use 60% - that will be enough to get you by. Remember those place in positions of power and authority are usually just henchmen with less ability than yourself...play stupid.
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Old 05-11-2013, 07:02 AM
 
Location: In the realm of possiblities
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When I was working, we had a running joke. Weekends were for working hard, then we rested for the other 5 days. Like Oleg Bach said, we only used 60% of our ability, sometimes a lot less, just to make it. Bottom line is that bosses don't want someone that is smarter, and a harder worker than they are. It would make them look bad, and then they would become expendable.
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Old 05-11-2013, 07:04 AM
 
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Have you ever asked for a raise?

Perhaps they just see it as you doing your job.

Some people just have a better work ethic than others and perform their tasks better than their counterparts.

This is why socialism doesn't work. This is also why unions don't work.
Unions work very well with a good company.ATI is investing over a billion dollars in a new rolling mill that will be built with union labor and operated by members of the USWA.
ATI chooses firm to supply rolling mill in Brackenridge | TribLIVE
ATI Allegheny Ludlum Mill - Brackenridge, Pennsylvania
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