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Old 06-08-2018, 02:06 PM
 
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Now I'm 100% sure that software development will be commoditized as a profession.
I agree, that's the point of flooding the job market with all those "boot camp" candidates (who are not considered very well in the job market). That's the point of the big mouths on TV advocating that *EVERYONE* learn to code.

It is all about driving down salaries and turning developing software into a McJob.
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:39 PM
 
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You can do lab work, QA/QC, in some cases mechanical engineering, and environmental/civil engineering.

Chemical engineering is a niche field with a smaller number of jobs and a 36 year old graduate has a middlin' chance to break in.

There's only so many jobs for Chemical Engineers at DuPont, so you might get the degree and not even go into Chem E.
I heard it was dupont or dow that were the pickiest employers in the nation, basically if you did not have some intellectual property for them to steal they were not interested. I wonder who invented PEEK, probably some poor schelp they exploited who did NOT become a multi millionare off of it.
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:41 PM
 
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I agree, that's the point of flooding the job market with all those "boot camp" candidates (who are not considered very well in the job market). That's the point of the big mouths on TV advocating that *EVERYONE* learn to code.

It is all about driving down salaries and turning developing software into a McJob.
When are people just going to decide to be be hungry instead of working these mcjob wages, if people refuse to work for mcjob wages then they will have to raise the wages significantly.
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Old 06-08-2018, 06:06 PM
 
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I guess I'm an anomaly. But I'm just a software engineer, and I'm not sure if that's what people are talking about when they're talking about STEM. But I have had few issues finding a job. I don't have a degree, I've relied 100% on my experience. I in the senior end of my career, and I mostly work around guys who have been around as long as I have. I have noticed something pretty common amongst them. The tedency to grind. I don't claim to be the smartest guy out here. But very few people grind it out as much as I do. And STEM jobs are a grind. If you're not willing to put 110% in your career you most definitely will fall behind. If you're only doing 90% or 80%, you won't make it, no matter how many advance degrees you bring to the table.

It is frustrating starting out in STEM. Hell just about 2 years into my career, I was willing to call it quit, because I had worked hard and studied just to get crap jobs. But once I really started to understand the market, I really started to gradually have success. Now I'm in the part of my career where the money is good; my work is interesting, challenging, and rewarding; and most of my coworkers are smart, professional, and easy to get along with.

In my career I've come to learn that mindset is everything. IF you think you're going to walk across the stage and be on easy street for the next 30 years while collecting a 6 figure salary. Then yes, STEM is going to be highly disappointing. But if you're ready to grind and sweat for this profession, it will be quite rewarding.
I was a software developer for 35 years. I did grind and sweat. In terms of money it was rewarding. In terms of everything else it was definitely not.
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Old 06-09-2018, 02:37 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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1. Technology
2. Math
3. Engineering
4. Science
1. Medical

It should really be STEMM

There will always be sick people who need medical care and physicians, nurses, anesthesiologist, etc. are routinely the highest paid.
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Old 06-09-2018, 07:57 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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1. Medical

It should really be STEMM

There will always be sick people who need medical care and physicians, nurses, anesthesiologist, etc. are routinely the highest paid.
That’s funny, and here all this time I thought I was a physician.
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Old 06-11-2018, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Saint John, IN
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I guess I'm an anomaly. But I'm just a software engineer, and I'm not sure if that's what people are talking about when they're talking about STEM. But I have had few issues finding a job. I don't have a degree, I've relied 100% on my experience. I in the senior end of my career, and I mostly work around guys who have been around as long as I have. I have noticed something pretty common amongst them. The tedency to grind. I don't claim to be the smartest guy out here. But very few people grind it out as much as I do. And STEM jobs are a grind. If you're not willing to put 110% in your career you most definitely will fall behind. If you're only doing 90% or 80%, you won't make it, no matter how many advance degrees you bring to the table.

It is frustrating starting out in STEM. Hell just about 2 years into my career, I was willing to call it quit, because I had worked hard and studied just to get crap jobs. But once I really started to understand the market, I really started to gradually have success. Now I'm in the part of my career where the money is good; my work is interesting, challenging, and rewarding; and most of my coworkers are smart, professional, and easy to get along with.

In my career I've come to learn that mindset is everything. IF you think you're going to walk across the stage and be on easy street for the next 30 years while collecting a 6 figure salary. Then yes, STEM is going to be highly disappointing. But if you're ready to grind and sweat for this profession, it will be quite rewarding.


WITHOUT a degree you will fail in most Engineering jobs, if you even get hired at all! In countries such as Germany you can't even find an Engineering job without a Masters and the schooling there for Engineers is more strict!


There are also many different types of Engineers; as much as 40, here's a few!


https://typesofengineeringdegrees.org/


Architectural
Aerospace
Biomedical
Chemical
Civil
Computer
Electrical
Environmental
Geotechnical
Mechanical
Structural
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