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Old 10-22-2018, 12:36 AM
 
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Government career counselors are likely the worst people to go to for a resume makeover, unless you are applying for a government position.

They lack the knowledge of what a private sector employer expects out of a resume. Its better just to get former co-workers with 4-5 years experience to look through it. We know what we want to see, when we go through a resume to hire another person for the team. We know the terminology and when people put bs on their resume.
There is no bs on the resume and I have had ex coworker friends review it as well as my wife who isca hiring manager. She has now become irritated that finding a proper job has been such an epic boondoggle and she is going to most likely just put me in for desk top support.
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Old 10-22-2018, 12:39 AM
 
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You beat me to it. I'd agree with this. Government counselors aren't much help in the private sector.

Find people in jobs similar to what you want to give mock interviews, review resumes, etc., and be harshly self-critical. There are always things outside of your control, but I personally approach interviewing as if I didn't get the job, there was something I did wrong or could have done better.
Unless you know you clearly boondoggled the interview I think it is phycologically unhealthy to assume it was your fault. Who knows why interviewers decide to do what they do.
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Old 10-22-2018, 06:55 AM
 
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Unless you know you clearly boondoggled the interview I think it is phycologically unhealthy to assume it was your fault. Who knows why interviewers decide to do what they do.



It is just another sneaky way of trying to blame the applicant who didn't get the job.
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Old 10-22-2018, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Unless you know you clearly boondoggled the interview I think it is phycologically unhealthy to assume it was your fault. Who knows why interviewers decide to do what they do.
When submission after submission, interview after interview, doesn't go your way... at some point, you need to accept that it is you.

Employers aren't there to play games. "Oh, hahaha, let's solicit a bunch of resumes, toss the most qualified out, then call everyone who's left and mess with them, then leave them hanging for weeks! It'll be a hoot!" Nobody has that kind of time. The simple fact is, they want to find who actually is the most qualified in a sea of people who are all certain that they're "perfect for the job". And they don't have the time to hold the hands of everyone who didn't cut the mustard.

Cultivating a victim mentality might help you to feel better, but it makes things worse... decent interviewers can sniff that, as well as desperation. And nobody wants to hire a victim.
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Old 10-22-2018, 09:06 AM
 
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Meh...


I'm in my mid 50's and making a change from self employed to trying to find a Fed.gov job. I'm looking at ~33k for starting to maybe $42k .


It's not easy, but sometimes you have to take a lower paying job to get started.


And NOBODY ever sends me recruiting emails.
You are on the right track. In my experience, I have found less ageism in the public sector.
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Old 10-22-2018, 10:48 AM
 
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When submission after submission, interview after interview, doesn't go your way... at some point, you need to accept that it is you.

Employers aren't there to play games. "Oh, hahaha, let's solicit a bunch of resumes, toss the most qualified out, then call everyone who's left and mess with them, then leave them hanging for weeks! It'll be a hoot!" Nobody has that kind of time. The simple fact is, they want to find who actually is the most qualified in a sea of people who are all certain that they're "perfect for the job". And they don't have the time to hold the hands of everyone who didn't cut the mustard.

Cultivating a victim mentality might help you to feel better, but it makes things worse... decent interviewers can sniff that, as well as desperation. And nobody wants to hire a victim.
Who said anything about a victim mentality or desperation, each new interview has its own statistical probability. People who get lucky think that they are more in control than they really are.

Each roll of the dice is a 1 in 6 chance, 1 in 6 never changes no matter how many times you roll it.

Also human beings will be making decisions on a whole host of factors not just qualifications, many untangible.

When I have a bs in chemical engineering and 13 years of engineering experience with assorted certs and skills and still working on additional certs and skills I have to accept no such thing. I’m doing life right I’m just getting very unlucky.
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Old 10-22-2018, 10:53 AM
 
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You are on the right track. In my experience, I have found less ageism in the public sector.
This is probably true but public sector has gotten incredibly cut throat to get in the front door. People have already figured out that public sector is the last place where it’s harder to toss you out like a used pop can.
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Old 10-22-2018, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Who said anything about a victim mentality or desperation, each new interview has its own statistical probability. People who get lucky think that they are more in control than they really are.

Each roll of the dice is a 1 in 6 chance, 1 in 6 never changes no matter how many times you roll it.
Absolute hogwash. Interviews are not random events. They do not choose people at random. They choose the best candidate. If that's never you, the fault does not lie in everyone else or "the system".

This is exactly a victim mentality. I cannot urge you strongly enough to re-evaluate your position. You can't ever be successful until you do.
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Old 10-22-2018, 11:32 AM
 
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Government career counselors are likely the worst people to go to for a resume makeover, unless you are applying for a government position.

They lack the knowledge of what a private sector employer expects out of a resume. Its better just to get former co-workers with 4-5 years experience to look through it. We know what we want to see, when we go through a resume to hire another person for the team. We know the terminology and when people put bs on their resume.
IME the government run orgs, that are there to help people find work, aren't set up to help professional career type people like pittsflyer. They are basically there to help low wage, low skill, low education required type job seekers.
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Old 10-22-2018, 12:00 PM
 
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Unless you know you clearly boondoggled the interview I think it is phycologically unhealthy to assume it was your fault. Who knows why interviewers decide to do what they do.
The only thing I can control are my own actions. I always assume there's something I could do better. Blaming external factors has never helped anyone get a job. I failed at some level every time I didn't get a job.

You SHOULD try to understand why an interviewer did what they did, so that you can adjust what you do to get the next job.
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