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Again, you have misread what I wrote. This is the third time.
I didn't say it was a root problem. I said it was the root of many problems. Which would make it a cause... not a problem.
It is a cause of a problem, it creates artificial demand, the schools know they can charge all the way up to the federal student loan amounts and students will take them to avoid homelessness and burger flipping for peanuts working crap hours.
People are taking insane risks becasue the consequences of not are extremely high. There are a sea of dead end mcjobs and vulture capitalists eager to fill them with the desperate that they can exploit.
Its not like you drive down the road to see rows of snap on tool manufacturing plants with help wanted signs or industrial equipment manufactures with state of the art facilities and nice break rooms. Nope its rows and rows of mcjobs as far as the eye can see , with a tinny tiny number of good hour, respectable well paid jobs.
It is a cause of a problem, it creates artificial demand, the schools know they can charge all the way up to the federal student loan amounts and students will take them to avoid homelessness and burger flipping for peanuts working crap hours.
People are taking insane risks becasue the consequences of not are extremely high. There are a sea of dead end mcjobs and vulture capitalists eager to fill them with the desperate that they can exploit.
Its not like you drive down the road to see rows of snap on tool manufacturing plants with help wanted signs or industrial equipment manufactures with state of the art facilities and nice break rooms. Nope its rows and rows of mcjobs as far as the eye can see , with a tinny tiny number of good hour, respectable well paid jobs.
This is a completely different problem than the one you originally surfaced. I'm not sure why you're changing topics now. You brought up the relationship between wages and student loans and how wages often aren't enough to cover student loan. That's what I was responding to.
A better alternative to big loans is to attend a good school that provides generous funding. Another one is to attend a community college or vocational school and get a hands on job. Both are great.
Mcjobs are fine as well. I have a neighbor that literally worked at McDonalds for 22 years (originally on the grill/washer and then as a manager) before being part owner of a McDonalds. There's nothing wrong with that.
This is a completely different problem than the one you originally surfaced. I'm not sure why you're changing topics now. You brought up the relationship between wages and student loans and how wages often aren't enough to cover student loan. That's what I was responding to.
A better alternative to big loans is to attend a good school that provides generous funding. Another one is to attend a community college or vocational school and get a hands on job. Both are great.
Mcjobs are fine as well. I have a neighbor that literally worked at McDonalds for 22 years (originally on the grill/washer and then as a manager) before being part owner of a McDonalds. There's nothing wrong with that.
I was never able to find these alternative schools that also had a good reputation. I went to a pretty good school. Mcdonalds is fine I suppose if you are actually choosing to work there as a real choice and not out of extreme desperation due to a sick market.
McJob does not imply mcdonalds, its a real word in the dictionary now. The issue is lack of choice and the job market being dominated by mcjobs.
I was not arguing loans vs wages anymore because its a proven fact that student loan bubble is completely out of hand and most people cant repay on their mcjob wages.
All of this stuff is tied together and it all boils down to people trying to escape poverty and sick dead end jobs and the stakes just keep getting higher and the risks greater to escape the abyss that is mcjobs and homelessness, living check to check etc.
You cant argue these issues in a vacuum because they are all entangled.
Mcjobs are fine as well. I have a neighbor that literally worked at McDonalds for 22 years (originally on the grill/washer and then as a manager) before being part owner of a McDonalds. There's nothing wrong with that.
You're just so... gracious from your ivory tower. Do you remember to pat the servants on the heads every day, too?
I've been coming across various news articles lately that labor shortages are starting to pop up in various locations in the US, including here in the Atlanta area. One builder claimed that only 10,000 houses a year are being built when there's demand for 20,000, due to said "labor shortage." Meatpacking plants in Iowa are said to be increasing wages to $18 an hour, due to their struggles to find immigrant labor.
My question is thus - why is this remotely a bad thing for this country? (Except for the employers, this post is not about them) Fewer available workers = higher wages - this is basic Economics 101. I've always thought higher wages were a good thing - not only for workers, but for the economy as a whole.
Right on all counts. The best time for workers was 1945-65, when we had basically no immigration.
First, establish that there is a "labor shortage." There's an observable disconnect between the rosy reports each month and observations at ground level.
Second, explain how relatively trival limits on immigration would make good citizens take picking, laundry, dishwashing and other backbreaking labor jobs.
It's simple economics. There is always a market-clearing price. Employers just have to pay the market rate.
It also means lower hiring standards. That means more waste and repairs (fuller landfills, greater carbon footprint), it means dropping drug testing, ignoring past DUIs, extended shifts (more accidents and injuries). Ultimately it means higher costs are passed on (inflation offsets wages gains and disproportionately hurts lower incomes).
That's what you get when you pay unproductive people to have babies. And, of course, immigration does nothing to improve the caliber of prospective employee. In fact, it gives you more of those types you disparage.
Right on all counts. The best time for workers was 1945-65, when we had basically no immigration.
Well, except for 5 million braceros who filled a severe shortage of ag workers in that period. You could look it up.
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It's simple economics.
And employees are just commodities whose only measure is their impact on the bottom line.
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That's what you get when you pay unproductive people to have babies. And, of course, immigration does nothing to improve the caliber of prospective employee.
Naw, the real problem is people whose economic viewpoints got stuck around Chapter Six: How Great 1955 Was for Everyone White.
Well, except for 5 million braceros who filled a severe shortage of ag workers in that period. You could look it up.
And employees are just commodities whose only measure is their impact on the bottom line.
Naw, the real problem is people whose economic viewpoints got stuck around Chapter Six: How Great 1955 Was for Everyone White.
So you're going to bend the laws of economics to indulge your racist animus? How lovely!
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