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Old 10-27-2014, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Indeed, why not. But this thread is about national identity and not just about answering questions.

Of course if someone asks me "Where are you from," my answer will depend on who is doing the asking.

If I'm right here in Orange County, I'll give the name of my city.

If I'm visiting relatives in another state, I'll say I'm from California., or Southern California.

If I'm in another country, I'll say I'm American. Actually, I still might say I'm from California, it just depends.

None of these answers changes my sense of national identity as an American. It was the implication that Texans identify as Texans only and NOT as Americans that was mind-boggling.

You would think they were an independent republic for hundreds of years the way they go on about it, yet it was only an independent country for 12 years. Laughable.

And you need to spend more time on the Texas forum, where many folks there would tell you straight up that they are a Texan first, and American second. I'll bet a poll in the Texas forum would confirm a majority would pick Texan first, American second.

Rick Perry quote from his very recent trip to the UK:
Office of the Governor Rick Perry - [Speech] Gov. Perry's Remarks at the Royal United Services Institute


Think of it this way: In the same decade this Institute was founded, Texas was a proud and sovereign country. Not long afterward, we became a mere state, which just goes to show you what happens when a nation lets its defenses down.........................................

And as I say that, I realize that even a proud, patriotic Texan has got nothing to teach the British people about defending freedom.

Enough said.

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Old 10-27-2014, 10:51 AM
 
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You would think they were an independent republic for hundreds of years the way they go on about it, yet it was only and independent country for 12 years. Laughable.

And you need to spend more time on the Texas forum, where many folks there would tell you straight up that they are a Texan first, and American second. I'll bet a poll in the Texas forum would confirm a majority would pick Texan first, American second.

Rick Perry quote from his very recent trip to the UK:
Office of the Governor Rick Perry - [Speech] Gov. Perry's Remarks at the Royal United Services Institute


Think of it this way: In the same decade this Institute was founded, Texas was a proud and sovereign country. Not long afterward, we became a mere state, which just goes to show you what happens when a nation lets its defenses down.........................................

And as I say that, I realize that even a proud, patriotic Texan has got nothing to teach the British people about defending freedom.

Enough said.
Every time you quote Rick Perry - you lose a few IQ points.
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Old 10-27-2014, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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"What country are you from?"

"Texas."

I am now officially embarrassed for Texans.

No, I'm not from Texas. I would never live in that state. I'm from PA, which has a far longer history as a political entity and state than Texas.
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Old 10-30-2014, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Sydney, Australia
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In Australia, some people ONLY call you "Australian" if you're of Anglo-Celtic descent.

So, if you're, say, half Italian and half English (or 10th generation Australian) they'd refer to you as "half Italian, half Aussie". Even the simpletons with mixed Anglo and non-Anglo heritage would say "I am half Aussie and half Greek"...It irks me so much. "Australian" is no ethnicity...

Americans at least say "half Irish, half Spanish", "Italian, German and Scottish", etc. No American has ever said "I'm American on one side and Scottish on the other". Lol!

And yet the stereotype is that Americans are stupid. At least they know their roots better than some of us clueless Aussies.
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Old 10-30-2014, 03:37 AM
 
Location: Brisbane
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In Australia, some people ONLY call you "Australian" if you're of Anglo-Celtic descent.

So, if you're, say, half Italian and half English (or 10th generation Australian) they'd refer to you as "half Italian, half Aussie". Even the simpletons with mixed Anglo and non-Anglo heritage would say "I am half Aussie and half Greek"...It irks me so much. "Australian" is no ethnicity...

Americans at least say "half Irish, half Spanish", "Italian, German and Scottish", etc. No American has ever said "I'm American on one side and Scottish on the other". Lol!

And yet the stereotype is that Americans are stupid. At least they know their roots better than some of us clueless Aussies.
I think most Australians would concentrate more on country of birth, not ancestry?. Someone with one Australian born parent and one Greek born parent would be half Australian, half Greek etc etc. That may extend to a person born in Australia to Greek parents.

How far do you go back anyway? Are white British people stupid because the don't say something like I am 1/4 Roman and 1/2 Norman and 1/4 Germanic?

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Old 10-30-2014, 04:22 AM
 
Location: Sydney, Australia
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I think most Australians would concentrate more on country of birth, not ancestry?. Someone with one Australian born parent and one Greek born parent would be half Australian, half Greek etc etc. That may extend to a person born in Australia to Greek parents.
Interesting input. I'd hope they do. But I kinda doubt it.

From what I noticed, even if the Italian parent is born here (Aussie-born) the child will still refer to the parent as "Italian". Aussie-born Greeks, Italians, etc, are still referred to their ancestry.

People still restrict "Aussie" to Anglo parents.
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Old 10-30-2014, 04:46 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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Because they equal Australia = Anglo

And everything else being "ethnic"
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Old 10-30-2014, 05:01 AM
 
Location: Brisbane
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Interesting input. I'd hope they do. But I kinda doubt it.

From what I noticed, even if the Italian parent is born here (Aussie-born) the child will still refer to the parent as "Italian". Aussie-born Greeks, Italians, etc, are still referred to their ancestry.

People still restrict "Aussie" to Anglo parents.
Well I am the father of a mixed race daughter, and I certainly do.
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Old 10-30-2014, 05:07 AM
 
Location: Brisbane
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Because they equal Australia = Anglo

And everything else being "ethnic"
You could easily substitute the word Australia with the UK in that post
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Old 10-30-2014, 05:25 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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You could easily substitute the word Australia with the UK in that post
Anglo literally means England. So that would be correct
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